Bus Conversions dot Com Bulletin Board
September 21, 2014, 01:06:02 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: New ownership began September 1st 2012!  Please send any comments to info@busconversions.com
   Home   Help Forum Rules Search Calendar Login Register BCM Home Page Contact BCM  
Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Exterior LED lights?  (Read 2934 times)
Jnbroadbent
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 100




Ignore
« on: April 09, 2013, 06:57:00 PM »

Finally time to put new LED lights in! What brand/supplier do you guys recommend? I've read different opinions but some threads are almost a decade old!

Hopefully she will be done-ish before June.  Grin
Logged

Jon
1980 Mc9 w/ veg oil
8v71
Jacksonville Fl
TomC
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6785





Ignore
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 07:46:01 PM »

Are you talking about clearance lights-headlights-tailights- or general illumination LED's? Good Luck, TomC
Logged

Tom & Donna Christman. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.
TedCalvert
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 49




Ignore
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 05:05:05 AM »

10 years ago usable LEDs were in their infancy!
Escalade, Lexus and Audi? now offer led headlamps. Direct replacements are available for 4x6 like on my '87 Prevost @ ~$250 ea!  Not gonna happen yet for me, I like Silverstar.
For markers, I got Optronics Miro-Flex MCL-17. For side markers/turn MCL-19. Clear lenses.  Haven't gotten to the rear yet, but they'll be similar.

Have fun!

Ted
Logged
Scott Bennett
Scott & Heather MCI-9
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1286


Scott & Heather


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 06:01:00 AM »

If you're talking about tail lights and turn signals, we went all LED and used what I consider one of the best companies in the industry, American SuperLite. http://www.americansuperlite.com/index.cfm We've never had an issue with them and after they manufacture the LED lamp/housing, they fill it with a fire retardant epoxy so even if the lens cracks, you're light still works and the circuitry is still water tight. Like I said, we've gone LED all the way around and love them.  Oh yeah, and they sell them 24V...so it's easy plug and play.

« Last Edit: April 10, 2013, 06:05:59 AM by Scott Bennett » Logged

Scott & Heather
1984 MCI9 6V92-turbo with 9 inch roof raise & conversion in progress.
http://www.scottmichaelbennett.com/p/our-bus.html
˙ǝɯoɔlǝʍ suoıʇɐuop ˙snq ʍǝu ɐ pǝǝu ʎlqɐqoɹd ll,ǝʍ 'sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟı
Scott Bennett
Scott & Heather MCI-9
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1286


Scott & Heather


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 06:04:56 AM »

Here's some shots of ours. Sorry, was too lazy to connect the battery and light em up for you. I'm sick today.  Fever and all.



Sent from iPhone via Tapatalk
Logged

Scott & Heather
1984 MCI9 6V92-turbo with 9 inch roof raise & conversion in progress.
http://www.scottmichaelbennett.com/p/our-bus.html
˙ǝɯoɔlǝʍ suoıʇɐuop ˙snq ʍǝu ɐ pǝǝu ʎlqɐqoɹd ll,ǝʍ 'sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟı
belfert
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5440




Ignore
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2013, 06:06:01 AM »

I've used LED lights from a variety of manufacturers.  Some styles of lights are only available from certain manufacturers.  For rear brake and turn/park lights I used Bargman.  I would probably use standard oval style lights if I did it again.  I cut some big holes in my fiberglass engine hatch for my Bargman lights so I can't really go back.  One of the Bargman lights has already failed.  Bargman sent me the entire assembly as a replacement so I got two replacement lights so I have a spare now.

I'm not really particular to any one manufacturer.
Logged

Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN
belfert
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5440




Ignore
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2013, 06:09:56 AM »


Escalade, Lexus and Audi? now offer led headlamps. Direct replacements are available for 4x6 like on my '87 Prevost @ ~$250 ea!  Not gonna happen yet for me, I like Silverstar.

What 4"x6" LED headlights are only $250?  The JW Speaker LED headlights that folks like are still $400 each.
Logged

Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN
TedCalvert
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 49




Ignore
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2013, 12:03:37 PM »

Optronics also, and that's each, X 4!
Logged
belfert
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5440




Ignore
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2013, 07:39:23 PM »

Optronics also, and that's each, X 4!

This is more a curiosity thing than something I would really buy.  If I were to do anything I would probably buy the low beams only.  I have no problems seeing when my high beams are on, but most of the time I can only use my low beams due to oncoming traffic.

Anyone actually have the Optronics LED headlights?
Logged

Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN
BRUISER
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 309


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2013, 12:33:36 PM »

Here's some shots of ours. Sorry, was too lazy to connect the battery and light em up for you. I'm sick today.  Fever and all.



Sent from iPhone via Tapatalk



those look great good job
« Last Edit: April 11, 2013, 12:37:55 PM by BRUISER » Logged

iMPAKS.com
Raleigh, NC
1983 MCI MC-9
gus
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3510





Ignore
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2013, 07:57:50 PM »


Why spend all that $$ to replace perfectly good working lights??

There must be a good reason for all this but it hasn't come to me yet?
Logged

PD4107-152
PD4104-1274
Ash Flat, AR
belfert
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5440




Ignore
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2013, 05:34:37 AM »

Why spend all that $$ to replace perfectly good working lights??

I didn't have perfectly good lights.  The sockets were corroded and the lenses were cracked.  I would randomly have bulbs quit working due to corrosion even when I tried to clean things up.  It was the same cost to go to LED as the replace the fixtures and they probably would have had issues again in the near future.

To clarify, these were the front park/turn lights and the rear brake/turn/park lights I replaced.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 11:38:18 AM by belfert » Logged

Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN
bevans6
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4639


1980 MCI MC-5C




Ignore
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2013, 05:51:37 AM »

I am about to replace all of the upper marker/running lights on my MCI.  All of the bulb sockets are corroded.  These are 24 volt lights, so if anyone has found a source for 24 volt running lights that might suit an MCI, please let me know.  At this point I am looking at two possible routes - one is to get quite small 12 volt lights and put two of them in series on a plastic plinth that I will make that will screw in, with copious sealant, in place of the OEM light lens.  The second is to find that 24 volt LED light and do the same thing.  There is a Setra light that is apparently a direct replacement for the whole assembly, but they are quite expensive, close to $50 each by the time I get them here and I need 16 lights anyway.

For my brake lights I went with a 7" diameter 24 volt brake/running light designed for school bus use, all LED and bright as all get out on full wack.  It required some fitting into the OEM MCI tail light fixture, same one as pictured in the Scott Bennet post, but I managed to get it in and screwed in no problems, just took a half hour with a die grinder to open out the hole in the MCI aluminium plinth.

Why LED?  Several quite good reasons.  One is they are very bright and designed to be highly visible in a way that 30 year old incandescent bulbs with rudimentary reflectors are not.  Two is they will last, on average, an extremely long time and when they fail they usually do it by failing individual LED in the multi-LED array, so you get a gradual failure.  Three is they use a lot less power, on the level of zero in comparison to a standard light.  That means, as an example, that you could confidently leave your running lights on all night with the bus turned off and know that you will have full starting power in the morning - handy when parking in a dark truck-stop lot.

Brian
« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 09:34:17 AM by bevans6 » Logged

1980 MCI MC-5C, 8V-71T from a M-110 self propelled howitzer
Spicer 8844 4 speed Zen meditation device
Vintage race cars -
1978 Lola T440 Formula Ford
1972 NTM MK-4 B/SR
TomC
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6785





Ignore
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2013, 09:23:35 AM »

Freightliner is offering LED headlights as an option. They take less then half of what halogen headlights do, and they are brighter with sunlight white (not blue). LED's, unlike Xenon, do not have ballasts or transformers. The military trucks that Freightliner makes have 4-7" round headlights that are LED. On Freightliners, the LED headlight option is about $800.00-but not likely to ever need replacement. And the lens is made of Lexan, so rocks and such won't take it out. Just waiting for them to make the LED in the rectangular headlights. Good Luck, TomC

PS-rather funny sideline story-when I was driving truck, I stopped at a Walmart since one of my headlights was out. Got a new Halogen headlight, installed it, then turned on the headlights to make sure it worked. As I was looking at the headlights the other headlight went out! Talk about timing the lights life to the nano second. So back into the store to buy another headlight....
Logged

Tom & Donna Christman. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.
gus
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3510





Ignore
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2013, 03:25:17 PM »

I know LEDs use much less power but with a 300 amp alt it really doesn't matter much compared to the huge cost difference.

When I have any light apart I spray paint the fixture white gloss, this makes the light many times brighter. I've never understood the reason for black light fixtures??

There are so many rear lights on my cap and engine door that half of them could be out and I could still be seen a mile away! Never did understand that design either.

My only real objection to LEDs is the atrocious high cost.

I've read that sometimes LEDs don't draw enough current to operate turn signals. Anyone have that problem?

They make more sense for interior lighting to save house batts.
Logged

PD4107-152
PD4104-1274
Ash Flat, AR
bobofthenorth
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2082



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2013, 04:26:42 PM »

I've read that sometimes LEDs don't draw enough current to operate turn signals. Anyone have that problem?

They make more sense for interior lighting to save house batts.

I could be wrong (it happened once before) but I don't think its the low draw that is the problem.  I think if there is a problem it is because the flasher sees the LED as an open (like a burnt out bulb) and just won't work.  I know that when I switched the frenchy-bus over I had to put a single incandescent bulb in parallel with the LED signal lights in order to get my cruise control to work.

I agree they are overpriced but so is a lot of the stuff we spend money on and we do it anyway.  I switched my exterior lights because the LEDs look good and because they draw so much less power.  I had some circuits that were borderline overloaded with incandescents but aren't even close to a problem with the LEDs.  And I've switched over virtually all the interior lighting on both the bus and the boat.  No comparison to the time you can last off the grid with LEDs compared to incandescents or even worse compared to halogens.

As far as brands go, I bought all of my marker lights at Princess Auto but I ordered the Prevost specific replacements for the taillights and signals from International Bus.  Its so long ago now I have no idea what brand they are.
Logged

R.J.(Bob) Evans
1981 Prevost 8-92, 10 spd
My website
Our weblog
Simply growing older is not the same as living.
belfert
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5440




Ignore
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2013, 04:50:28 PM »

There are so many rear lights on my cap and engine door that half of them could be out and I could still be seen a mile away! Never did understand that design either.

My only real objection to LEDs is the atrocious high cost.

I've read that sometimes LEDs don't draw enough current to operate turn signals. Anyone have that problem?

I had two regular light bulbs on each side for my brakes so I put two LED brake lights on each side.  The brake lights are almost blinding now.

I have standard 12 volt clearance/marker lights.  The regular lights cost about $4 each and the LED lights cost about $8 each.  Some of the lights were shot and it made sense to go LED.  As already mentioned my regular light fixtures front and rear had all kinds of issues and LED was just as cheap as replacing them through MCI.

Yes, I had to replace my flashers with electronic ones.  At one point my left turn signals were all LED and the right turn signals still had a mixture of LED and regular bulbs.  MY left turn signals blinked much slower than normal before I replaced the flashers.  (For some strange reason Dina uses redundant flashers.  I can remove either one and everything still works.)
Logged

Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN
B_K
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 431




Ignore
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2013, 09:37:18 AM »

Quote from: bevans6
There is a Setra light that is apparently a direct replacement for the whole assembly, but they are quite expensive, close to $50 each by the time I get them here and I need 16 lights anyway.
Brian

Brian last time I bought the Setra LED's they were only about $24.
And X's 16 is  $384 which qualifies for free shipping. (anything over $250 free)

Yes it's a lot of $, but we have almost ZERO failures!
That alone saves $ in replacement bulbs and labor! (at least for us being in revenue service!)
Grin  BK  Grin
Logged
sledhead
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 342





Ignore
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2013, 10:06:49 AM »

I changed my running lights to 12 v led lights from princess auto $ 6-$7 each 4 years ago all I had to do was replace the feed for power from 24 v to 12 v on the relay and I replaced the turn,stop lights by putting 2 12v lights together to make the 24 v .Looks great and a lot more light with zero maintenance so far.
In side the coach I just replaced 35  20w halogen to 3w led   WOW ! no more heat and way less use of power.                            dave                               
Logged

1990 mci 102c  6v92 ta ht740  kit,living room slide . home base huntsville ontario canada
Ed Hackenbruch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2402




Ignore
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2013, 11:04:22 AM »

So Scott, what was the price of the lites in the photo? I down loaded the catalog but don't see any prices anywhere?
Logged

1968 MCI 5A with 8V71 and Allison MT644 transmission.  Western USA
Lin
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 4556

1965 MC-5a




Ignore
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2013, 02:11:00 PM »

Gus, if your original fixtures are in good shape, LED bayonet replacements are available on Ebay cheap.  At this point, I would do that rather than buying incandescent replacement bulbs.
Logged

You don't have to believe everything you think.
BRUISER
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 309


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2013, 04:39:42 PM »

So Scott, what was the price of the lites in the photo? I down loaded the catalog but don't see any prices anywhere?

not sure what Scott's cost but I called around and looks like $24 a light

with a 10 year warranty
Logged

iMPAKS.com
Raleigh, NC
1983 MCI MC-9
TomC
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6785





Ignore
« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2013, 09:54:46 PM »

When I changed to rear LED's, the turn indicators work fine sine they are a solenoid, rather then a heat switch. The King Cruise would not work-just installed a 100ohm resistor in line with the brake switch, and all's fine. Good Luck, TomC
Logged

Tom & Donna Christman. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.
rwc
No longer will be Now AM
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 265





Ignore
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2013, 04:58:03 AM »

What is the part number for the Setra Lights??
Logged

B_K
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 431




Ignore
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2013, 08:45:08 AM »

What is the part number for the Setra Lights??

I'll look and see if I can get you that.

I do know if you call and ask for the LED clearance lights for a 200 Series (S215 or S217) coach they will know what they are.  (or at least they used to be able to before MCI took over!)
Grin  BK  Grin
Logged
gus
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3510





Ignore
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2013, 06:41:57 PM »

Lin,

Probably a very good idea except I have a ten year supply of spare incandescent bulbs I bought in bulk!!
Logged

PD4107-152
PD4104-1274
Ash Flat, AR
Scott Bennett
Scott & Heather MCI-9
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1286


Scott & Heather


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2013, 04:43:28 PM »

Sorry guys. I've been one sick dude. Lets suffice it to say today is the first day I can actually stand any length of time without help. Not sure why no one can find a source for the American Superlite LED's but I love ours. Paid about $26 for each of mine. If you leave your incandescent bulbs in your side marker turn signals it will regulate the signal so it blinks at a normal rate. Replace those with LED's and it will blink super fast.


Sent from iPhone via Tapatalk
Logged

Scott & Heather
1984 MCI9 6V92-turbo with 9 inch roof raise & conversion in progress.
http://www.scottmichaelbennett.com/p/our-bus.html
˙ǝɯoɔlǝʍ suoıʇɐuop ˙snq ʍǝu ɐ pǝǝu ʎlqɐqoɹd ll,ǝʍ 'sıɥʇ pɐǝɹ uɐɔ noʎ ɟı
Oonrahnjay
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1425





Ignore
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2013, 08:00:37 PM »

     Same deal with mine -- the frame and reflector and other structural pieces were deteriorated so badly that they leaked water and were beyond repair; also, they were really crummy, low-output, old-technology units.  There was no reason to try to repair them or replace them with original.  I got some large-format LED's and I'll convert to front ambers with parking light function and turn signal together and similar units for taillights, brake lights and turn signals.  The side marker/turn repeaters on the sides, I replaced with smaller units with similar steady burning for markers (on when taillights or parking lights are on) and turn signals that flash with the signals on that side.  There was a matching white backup light, so I sprang for one of those, too.

http://s45.photobucket.com/user/oonrahnjay/media/SuperBrightLED_zps018cf91f.jpg.html

B Henderson   NC   USA 
Logged

Bruce H; Wallace (near Wilmington) NC
1976 Daimler (British) Double-Decker Bus; 34' long
6-cyl, 4-stroke, Leyland O-680 engine

(New Email -- brucebearnc@ (theGoogle gmail place) .com)
Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!