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« on: June 21, 2013, 11:36:50 AM »

 I came across a 4104 bus that has been lengthened by a few feet over the back wheels. It also has had a auto tranny and a 6v92 engine installed. My questions would you think this would be a good or bad thing?
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1958 GM 4104 Extended 2 feet, with a 6v92 and 5 speed automatic

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 11:47:41 AM »

That would depend on who did the work.  I don't know if that is the only one around.  If it is, I have heard of it and my perception was that the guy who did it knew what he was doing.  I can't remember who it was.  I would be very afraid unless you can find out who did it and come back to the board with that info.

If it was only the tailgate that was lengthened and not the structure, it might be OK.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 05:08:03 PM »

Hey Scott,

Could you get me the bus serial number as well as a location for the stretch 4104 you are looking at.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 06:05:39 PM »

Yes I will
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Scott 
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 06:55:25 PM »

beware of anything that was home engineered,  More than one bus nut has purchased a bunch of headaches from those who thought they were smarter than the building full of Engineers at GM Truck and Coach.

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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 07:20:28 PM »

That bus was stretched by the converter. That's when it got the 6V92 and the Allison. The bus was purchased from another member in SoCal. He may or may not have additional info. My understanding is the conversion was complete when he bought it.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 09:34:45 PM »

If done well that would be an awesome setup, the 4104 looks with all of the good stuff. Uncle Ned's Huggy Bear 4104 has the same setup. Might want to get in touch with him.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 09:45:48 PM »

If done well that would be an awesome setup, the 4104 looks with all of the good stuff. Uncle Ned's Huggy Bear 4104 has the same setup. Might want to get in touch with him.


How do I get ahold of him?
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Scott 
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1958 GM 4104 Extended 2 feet, with a 6v92 and 5 speed automatic

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 10:03:22 PM »

Scott -

If it's the one I've seen based out of Southern California, the stretch was done between the rear axle and the radiator (look at 4104s on Google images) in order to change the coach over to a "T-drive" configuration instead of the stock "V-drive."

Altho I agree with Doug (tekebird), this particular stretch was done so well you couldn't tell it wasn't stock.  I didn't notice the stretch at first, until I looked in the engine compartment - then, after a double-take, started looking closer.

Last I saw this coach was about 10 years ago for sale on MAK's lot in Wesminister, CA.

You probably looked at Uncle Ned's "Huggy Bear" in Blytheville - he was parked in the lot diagonally across the street from the depot - right next to Gene Russell's blue Silversides.  His 6V92 set-up is in the stock V-drive configuration.

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 10:08:26 PM »

Ooh! I saw a ad for that bus in an old BCM mag. Wow a T-drive would be even better! Give me second dibs Scott.
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2013, 07:44:54 AM »

Ooh! I saw a ad for that bus in an old BCM mag. Wow a T-drive would be even better! Give me second dibs Scott.

 Do you still have the mag?  Second dibs are all yours, but what will Wheezy think Roll Eyes
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Scott 
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2013, 09:08:02 AM »

When the "Boss" finds out Wheezy will have to be sold, then the house next, and along with my retirement it all gets split 50/50. If that bus is anything close to my fantasy though, it will be hard not to attempt a go at it. LOL  I thought it was a great way to eliminate some of the restrictive engine/transmission choices that GM buses suffer from. If I remember correctly that bus was listed for what seemed to be a ridiculously low asking price. I will see if I can find it, but I will not have access to my back issues for several weeks, so be patient with me.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2013, 11:03:16 AM »

Has there ever been a how-to written on this type of swap? Sounds like a neat deal if it can be done right.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2013, 11:41:18 AM »

I thought that was MK personal bus he had it one year at Caverns with his family
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2013, 12:45:16 PM »

I'd really like to see a pic of the engine compartment on this one
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