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Author Topic: This is what I want... but the bus is in Israel  (Read 3316 times)
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« on: September 22, 2013, 04:29:33 PM »

http://tinyhouseswoon.com/converted-transportation-bus/

Huge windows, open floor plan, ninimalist and modern design.  If any one knows of a bus here in the States already converted please let me know.  I have two cats so I do not want carpet nor do I want to have to rip it out (unless I must).

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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2013, 04:45:57 PM »

My mistake.
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2013, 05:42:00 PM »

You could use the round world atlas as a bowling ball.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2013, 07:04:38 PM »

Me too
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2013, 07:15:48 PM »

I remember years ago FF stated that when he died his kids would have to figure out a way of getting rid of his bus.  I guess he decided to try to sell it himself, but the FF electrical extention cord out the window and folding shower and interior holding tank(s)? isn't a bit hit-- now or back then.  But it has empty bays to haul garage sale items!!  It was (edit) such a "conversion" FF's wife would rent a motel room when they went somewhere in it.  Oh, but the bus is in the East Coast, closer than Israel.

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I don't think you are comparing apples to apples when you compare FF's bus with the MAN linked above. If FF's bus is such a great deal, why hasn't it sold? In my opinion, FF's bus is worth what an empty shell is worth, minus the cost of the labor to remove the interior. In other words, how much will he pay someone to take it. Just MY opinion, not to dissuade anyone from buying it.

Good luck, Sam
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2013, 09:28:42 PM »

FF'S Bus would work if I wanted to do a lot of finishing work (and a real shower) on the bus.   I am still hoping to find something more "finished".  This link is to a bus builtout by the owner over the past 6 years. His price is much higher but much is done.

http://imageevent.com/reddog/1990thomasbuiltbusdogbus;jsessionid=xm4m38cqa2.eagle_s?n=0&z=3&c=4&x=1&m=24&w=0&p=0

Much thanks to all of you for taking timee to help me.
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2013, 12:11:14 PM »

Wow Sam and Geoff, you really contributed to this thread. 

We each do things differently.  We really don't need folks like you to be the judge and jury.

Sure hope I don't get your kind of help if I decide to sell my bus. 

Another reason why I don't spend much time on the boards any more.

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2013, 05:23:56 PM »

 For the average RVer, this coach would be worthless. Absolute minimum storage for any lodging purposes, all those windows would be a field day for anyone with a BB gun. No room for tankage and other needs,,, you can't get somtin for nutin.>>>Dan
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2013, 05:31:40 PM »

What, Jim-- are you saying we should not talk bad about a bus that is
for sale to help out a potential buyer???

I have followed your Eagle engine conversion and I would not recommend anyone buying it.

I gave you the advice to keep your 6V92TA and you opted to go for a 4-stroke; and you had nothing but problems costing you so much money at several times you said you couldn't afford to keep up the repairs.

As far as I know you are still having problems with your bus, but you want everyone to keep quiet if they know someone's bus is not a good buy?  Are you ready to sell your "project"?  I wouldn't recommend it any more than FF's bus.

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2013, 08:38:35 PM »

Well Geoff, if you are going to dump on me, you might want to get your facts straight.

First of all, I followed all of your good advice and had a pretty good running 6V92 until the folks doing the emission testing overheated the engine and I lost one or both heads.  I simply could not justify putting any more money in that engine, given the heavy demands of the bus due to the rather high GCVW and our mountain terrain.

I did a conversion to the Series 60 and it worked very well until I had an issue with the liners "sinking" in the block.  I got about 60K rather trouble free miles out of that engine, until the liner problem got bad.  I have been very open in saying, in print, that I made a bad decision on that engine (too many miles and was out of a truck that probably had marginal maintenance).  

I did a better job of due diligence on this engine and it has been a jewel. Plenty of power, great Jakes, perfect cruise control, etc.

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I gave you the advice to keep your 6V92TA and you opted to go for a 4-stroke; and you had nothing but problems costing you so much money at several times you said you couldn't afford to keep up the repairs.

Where do you get the idea that I said I could not afford to keep up with the repairs?

Indeed, We have been enjoying the bus since I got it on the road in 2006 (with the Series 60) and have well over 70K miles and over 800 enjoyable nights in our cozy, plain Jane bus.  While we don't get to travel as much as we used to, we did enjoy our trouble free 2400 mile trip to the amazing Blytheville rally (with several other stops along the way) this year.  

In terms of expense, even with the two engines, I am still about about the same cost as a full DD 6V92 rebuild.  I am getting probably 1.5-2 MPG more and in 70K miles that really helps offset the cost.

Now to FF's bus.  It is fine to offer a potential buyer thoughts about why you judge a bus to be a bad value.  It is our duty to warn folks about a dangerous bus - but that was not your claim.  It is quite another thing to add comments about his wife staying in a motel and being so snide about someones work.

SkelBell is new to our forum and must have a great impression about our members.

Jim

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 08:22:45 AM »

Jim,

I find it interesting that you accuse Geoff and me of being judge and jury about FF's bus, but don't have any hesitation in being judge and jury of us. Do you not see the hypocrisy in that? If you go back and reread my post you will notice that I said my evaluation of FF's bus was "MY OPINION", are opinions not allowed. You said nothing about Bob's OPINION about FF's bus being a good deal. I agree with Geoff that offering opinions about a bus could keep a potential buyer from making an expensive mistake.
Time for you to step down from your SELF RIGHTEOUS SOAP BOX?Huh

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 09:43:31 AM »

OK Geoff and Sam

I was so upset that I did not really get my basic point across.  To make matters worse, some of the posts have been pulled.

Here was the basic thought on my part: 

It is the privilege of all members of this forum to make observations about buses for sale to help potential buyers make informed decisions.  My fondest wish would be that we do that in a constructive manner and do so based on facts as we know them.  I would wish that the comments would be objective. 

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I remember years ago FF stated that when he died his kids would have to figure out a way of getting rid of his bus.  I guess he decided to try to sell it himself, but the FF electrical extention cord out the window and folding shower and interior holding tank(s)? isn't a bit hit-- now or back then.  But it has empty bays to haul garage sale items!!  It was (edit) such a "conversion" FF's wife would rent a motel room when they went somewhere in it.  Oh, but the bus is in the East Coast, closer than Israel.

Geoff made some observations that would help the buyer understand why he would not recommend the bus.  BUT he then went on to interject some rather personal comments including those about his wife.  That takes it to a personal level.


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Bob,

I don't think you are comparing apples to apples when you compare FF's bus with the MAN linked above. If FF's bus is such a great deal, why hasn't it sold? In my opinion, FF's bus is worth what an empty shell is worth, minus the cost of the labor to remove the interior. In other words, how much will he pay someone to take it. Just MY opinion, not to dissuade anyone from buying it.

Good luck, Sam

Your comments/opinion did not offer much to a potential buyer that he could get his hands around.  It really slammed the work of a member of this forum.  Maybe it is not your cup of tea, but it represents one person's attempt to build a vehicle in which he and his wife could travel in.  Your comment would paint a picture of a piece of junk that is worth less than nothing.  If I were FF, I would not be happy with your assessment - especially if you have not seen it first hand and toured it.

Several of us have been the brunt of some pretty negative and personal posts lately and I just hate that our hobby has taken that route.  FF has been the target of many "slams" over the years.  Yet, he tries to contribute to our hobby.  His marine background brings a different perspective to our hobby.  You don't have to agree with what he says.  But you could cut him some slack on his project.

Sam, if you have inspected FF's bus and feel that he needs to pay someone to haul it off, I offer a very sincere apology.

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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 09:54:23 AM »

Stacie, first of all, welcome to our bus world.

I really enjoyed the link you posted.

Please do not feel bad about the terrible thread drift that took place.  These "problems" have been brewing for a long time.  They have nothing to do with you.

I hope you will continue to post here as you do your research about buses for sale.  Virtually all replies to your questions will offer you opinions that can help you reach your goal.

Take your time and you will find a good value/fit for you.

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 10:36:03 AM »

Stacie- I think Mr. Utah has some good points.  We are always looking for the best compromise between what we want and what is practical.  A lot depends on the type of usage you plan.  Although the panoramic windows can be great when parked on the ridge overlooking the Grand Canyon.  They would not be so good in a cramped campground, in a real cold winter, or hot summer.  So everything can be a hunt for balance.  FF's bus or similar, a GMC or MCI with completely uncovered windows could be such a compromise.  Of course, as some of the post have pointed out, FF did it his way which can be said to be very creative, but maybe a bit Spartan for many others.  That does not mean it could not be a good shell to start with.  That would depend on exactly what it is and exactly what you need to change.  I would assume the basic mechanicals are good, and he would let you know of any problems.

It is a buyers market, so if you keep looking you will probably find something close to what you want at a very reasonable price.  What the present owner has done will be greatly discounted while you will pay retail for whatever you do yourself.  Also, unless you have some romantic attachment to the idea of a manual transmission, I would only look at buses that have automatics.  If the coach you get already has one, you will get it for almost nothing more than a manual.  If you buy a manual, it could cost more than the bus is really worth to change over.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 12:29:34 PM »

No worries on what I think.  I understand folks get passionate. Btw... Do busses commomly have thier windows shot out?  My need for Windows is based on a need for natural light.  I am extremely Vit D3 deficient - lol.   I prefer an automatic but I do drive stick. My car is a 91 Honda Civic CRX Si.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 02:48:26 PM »

I don't think bus windows get shot at any more than other windows. When I had my Courier 96, it had large sky-view windows. I had inside and outside covers for them to keep cool. A powerful A/C system helps too. Nice and  bright on a cool day. Keeping them from leaking was a constant concern.

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 02:56:57 PM »

Stacie, Mine is probably not what you are looking for but it is for sale.  I just bought a new couch for it and am ripping all the carpet out of it now. It could have any floor you wanted.

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2013, 03:35:26 PM »

Don - can you post a link to pics to your bus?
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2013, 04:57:17 PM »

Stacie. First off! Thanks for your service. (Now the welcome) Welcome to the Board! Smiley. What is your bus budget? This will help us Busnuts to help keep an eye peeled for a suitable buy for you. We are spread far and wide and many of us would be glad to help in any way we can to help point ya in the right direction.  Wink So ask tons of questions, and feel free to post any links to you may find. Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2013, 05:13:41 PM »

I stand by all I have written.  I'm just sorry Jim has a short memory.

But WTF, it doesn't really matter to me.  I just try to help the newbies.

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2013, 05:49:51 PM »

Stacie,

Honestly, even though there are family levels of dysfunction on this board, it really is a family and I can honestly say that everyone here is really trying to give you good solid advice. You'll have to sift through it and determine your course of action, but do carefully read everyone's response (the relevant ones) because buying a coach isn't just something that can be done on a whim. There is a lot more at stake than if you were buying a Honda Civic (to keep it personal for ya). A bus that hasn't been built properly will give you grief to the point you'll be sorry you ever bought it. If it's not been mechanically maintained and just mostly ignored, it could literally be unsafe for you and others on the road. At the same time, your taste for lots of natural light and windows is important and there is no reason you can't have a lot of windows and light. If someone shoots them out with a BB gun, shoot back with an AR-15 and the problem will go away  Cool  That being said, are you planning on living in the coach full-time? Just traveling occasionally? Camping trips? Do you have a family? Do you plan on boondocking and parking the bus where there may not be sewer/power/water or do you think you'll always find an RV park to stay at with all the amenities and hookups? Is your budget flexible? Do you want to do any of the conversion yourself or do you want a completed bus? Sorry for all the questions, but if you get back to us with the answers to some of them, I know we can be of much more specific help Smiley  Welcome! You'll learn to love it here!
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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2013, 06:05:20 PM »

I personally think that is one neat conversion who ever did the conversion had the work cut out for him I like the way he incorporated the transit floors into the conversion we all fly different but that bus is nicely done 


The FF bus I have no idea I never saw it and could care less but he has owned it for a long,long time plus being retired from air line industry he probably has the coins to do what ever he wants so the bus must meet his needs it is your choice not ours

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« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2013, 09:07:09 PM »

Stacie,

I admire anyone who can make a good-looking conversion from a low-floor transit bus, or any type of bus that's different than the usual MCI/Eagle/GM/Prevost/etc that's more common here.   Sure, there's plenty of difficulties to overcome when dealing with lack of, or very limited, under-floor space for tanks and batteries and whatnots, but sometimes the results can justify the work.   As folk have said, you first have to decide on the basic criteria you need (boondocking?   weekending?   full-timing?   driving a lot, or parked most of the time?), then find what best meets your needs.   If it's different than what's "normal", so be it, just as long as it works for you.   Isn't that why we are spending so much time and effort on our conversions, because ready-made RVs just don't give us what we need?

Lostranger on the Nomadicista forum is converting a low-floor Gillig for his wife and him to full-time in, and some folk here have high-floor transits for which they built under-floor tanks and storage.   I'm converting a Crown rear-engine school bus for self-contained boondocking or full-timing, complete with plenty of solar panels on the roof to give me all the electrons I can use  -  for my needs a tough, simple(ish), high-ground-clearance bus is ideal, and a fancier type of bus would not be so useful for me.

Back to the Israeli bus  -  I like it!   I especially like the open airy feel to it, but how do they manage the plumbing?   It's definitely one to add to my collection of conversion favorites.   Even Reddog's Thomas has some good ideas I could "borrow".

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2013, 03:47:52 AM »

I am single (divorced 25 years "It's ok to make a mistake; it's not ok to make the same mistake twice."). 12 Brothers and Sisters plus stepbro and sis.  26 nieces and nephews and 41 first cousins - all of whome I know well.  Dad was a lawyer.  Mom a nurse.  Step mom still alive at 92 with all her faculties.  75% of immediate family still lives in Northern NJ.

Joined the Navy at 18 and after first stint at a rag outfit (A-6 squadron) in VaBeach transferred to the Reserves.   Break in service from 1994-2002 working for high tech companies as Operations Mgr.  Returned to the Reserves with Navy Cargo Handlers then back to a C-9 squadron.   Mobilzed as enlisted Aircrew spending 1/2 my time OCONUS.  I made Chief in 2007, Senior Chief in 2011.  In my civilian life I have worked as both public and private companies and educational iinstitutions and taught Microsoft Office products for 20 years.  I have traveled by myself thru 49 states including Alaska and all of Canada except Nunavut (1987 Honda Civic CRX Si) including the Dempster Hywy. Backpacked 13 countries in Europe. 6 weeks roving the Martime provinces on the Labrador 500 in a Saturn and 3 months mix of driving and mass transit thru Southern Africa including a VW Beetle Rally.  3 weeks in Egypt alone and 3 weeks in Cambodia using the nephew of an embassy driver cause the military defense attache didnt want an enlisted solo female traveling alone - so I hired the nephew as my "buddy".  Last trip in 2009 after demobing from 3 year mobilization was 2 months Mexico and Guatemala in the Saturn.  It was to be 6 months to Panama and back but ID and Drivers Licence pickpocketed day before Easter so returned home.  My military OCONUS activities are now somewhat restricted so driving a bus lets me continue traveling - now with all my stuff

My present car, the 91 CRX, has had the engine, radiator, breaks and clutch all replaced in the last year. All paid in cash.  I am a good saver.

 I have spent almost 6 months of this past year at varous active duty locations teaching PREVENT (Personal Responsibility Values Education and Training) to 18-24 year olds and various other leadership and soft skill Miltary classes. I am also the National Ops for CPPD Reserves  mobile training teams which I perform on drills from home.  I have 23 years total service/almost 10 of that on Active Duty.  I can stay until I hit 26 years unless I make Master Chief before then which lets me stay until 30 years (30 May 2020/age 58).  Because of active duty time in support of OEF/OIF I get to receive retirement pay at age 59. Since I am not betting on living past 72ish I will take Social Security at 62.

I now have $20k and continue to save as I expect an average $5k per year in repair/ maintenance costs. I have read several of the RV books and cruised the various forums for the past year and a half while saving my pennies. I started looking at TT then Class B's and A's.  Never considered 5th wheels (too big and complicated as a solo).  Most RV's mfg shoddy and design layouts tailored to families not solo fulltimer.  The safety and designs of homebrewed buses including the huge basements (thrift store afficianado) came closest to my taste and needs.   I prefer a 35 foot automatic.  I do not cook nor plan to start.  Optimally has a microwave and 2 burner stove top.  Stove not necessary.  Water tanks to support an 18" apt dishwasher, and a stackable washer dryer (not splendide) - both used one per week.  Solar to support boondocking.  I intend to full-time (with 2 cats- litter box access in heated basement), parking the bus on military campgounds, and extensive boondocking.  My family is in Jersey so I will spend holidays there then head south after New Years so bus must be able to handle the cold. I will tow the CRX which gets 32 mpg.

My only bills at this time are liability insurance for the Car, $850 rent (same landlord off and on for 20 years) plus $300 electric per year, No cable as I don't watch TV exceptcon my phone or laptop so $180 per month for Verizon (true unlimited) cellphone and laptop Broadband card. 50% disability (only received when I am not on active duty) and all Medical including RX provided by VA. I take VIT D3 10K units per day. 

Have I left anything out? Navy Chiefs don't usually use so many I's but I'm owning it all.
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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2013, 06:22:10 AM »

Geez. You're awesome. That's all I have to say. Pardon me for a moment while I pick up my jaw........

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Ok. Personally, it's clearly apparent that whatever you do, you'll do it successfully. You're clearly a go getter so in my opinion you'll have fun adding a bus to your already awesome life. If you fulltime, your $850 /mo rent goes away. Most rv parks and campgrounds will cost much less than that. We've full timed for 2.5 years and have never even once paid more than $350 per mo on rent. That being said, it sounds like you definitely want a coach with luggage bays so a transit like the gorgeous or you posted in Israel isn't going to be practical, but there isn't any reason you can't get a normal (non transit) bus to look like that. Lots of windows and modern design are possible in an MCI or eagle or anything for that matter. If I were in your shoes, I would look online for a coach alreAdy converted (as you indicated you wanted to do) and then make some modifications to suit your needs. If you find one you like, run it by the bus board. There are some top notch people here that can help steer you right. Cliff (luvrbus) is a talented resource as well as others. Craigslist has some great buses online too. Seen some nice stuff on there.


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« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2013, 06:24:14 AM »

I've been following this thread because the bus in the original post really appeals to me too, from a design point-of-view. And I think (water tanks and storage apart) a low-floor transit should be by-far the easiest conversion you can do - just a big square box on wheels, with plenty of headroom, flat surfaces and right-angles. It's tempting to think that you could end up with a passable conversion by doing little more than making a few trips to Ikea.

And, last of all, low-floor transits are incredibly cheap - there are perfectly good mid 1990s examples on UK Ebay for a couple of grand, and older ones that are priced in hundreds rather than thousands.

The major down-side for me, though, would be the driving capabilities of a vehicle like that - fine if your traveling involves pottering along from town-to-town without any schedule or agenda, but no good if your time is limited and your holiday destination is hundreds of miles away.

Jeremy


PS - Spotted this articulated Mercedes on Ebay - built in 2003 and with a buy-it-now of 8995. You could have a nice conversion inside that:




PPS. Years ago I saw a bus conversion for sale that had the water tanks on the roof. Not necessarily suggesting it's a good idea, but it would be one solution on a low-floor bus

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« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2013, 08:07:17 AM »

Hey SkellBell. Wow!  First, Thanks for your service and I'm sure you are the envoy of many to have such vast travels.  Bet you have some fun stories!  Not much to add, but we have a couple of other female bus nuts here you may want to say hello to.

in this thread:
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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2013, 05:05:35 PM »

Stacie:

I saw your post on IRV this morning, and I am glad that you made it over here.   One thing to consider is you will have access to all of the military campgrounds as you move around the country. Allstays has a free App that lists them.
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« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2013, 07:14:59 PM »

I remember back in the 70's, I had a converted '62 Ford Econoline that I lived in up in Alaska.  I met and knew a lot of people, and regarding this subject, I knew a single gal who wanted a VW Micro-bus with lots of windows My van had walls.  I asked her why she wanted windows instead of privacy, and all she could say is she liked it. Okay.

My current RTS bus has half the windows covered over between the living room and bedroom.  This cost me a lot of money.  The covered areas contain the kitchen, table, ceiling height closets, and the bathroom with a 36" shower.  The bedroom in the far back has opening windows which we appreciate on hot nights.

I cannot see giving away the privacy that I would lose having windows all the way down the bus, curtains would not work.

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2013, 03:22:11 AM »

Geoff and I spoke about his bus which because of the skylights produces enormous light. Still deciding.
http://www.bargainbusnews.com/Buses/5870-1965MCIMC5-A/

I personally have no discomfort at using blinds/shades, curtains, or even better Window Film to provide privacy when I need it.
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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2013, 04:28:33 AM »

Thank you for sharing the link to the Israel bus.  It's beautiful and I really enjoyed seeing the design. 
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2013, 03:21:35 PM »

SkjellBell,

I have a coach for you.....it's a clean slate inside.  email me at tekebird@yahoo.com for particulars......very reliable, rust free, yes rust free! New Engine, nice big reliable genset. 
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vinyl marketing graphics over windows. 
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2013, 06:22:07 PM »

Thank you Tekebird!
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