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Author Topic: 1978 MCI 5C - 35' 6V92TA†w/Allison automatic  (Read 6400 times)
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« on: September 28, 2013, 04:19:57 PM »

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/rvs/4092357640.html

Another MCI for your thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2013, 04:29:20 PM »

 Very heavy price in this market, don't believe the 10 miles per gallon, not with an automatic. I like the description that lays out all the details, even if some are suspect.>>>Dan
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2013, 04:43:35 PM »

Dan - what is a fair price in this market if it really does have all these bells and whistles?
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2013, 05:08:45 PM »

Whoever did the listing seems to generally know what he/she is talking about.  That's a good thing in the sense that the buyer would have a lot of valuable information up front.  The downside could be that they may have a hard time dealing at today's market value.  If it has everything listed in good/excellent condition as mentioned, I would think in terms of 30k or even less depending on what you would think needs to be done.  Let me add though that I am by no means qualified to make an accurate estimate but am willing to guess anyway.  One problem with trying is that the pictures are not very good, so the interior could be better or worse than the impression I get.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2013, 05:34:57 PM »

$40,000 will get you a mid 80's Prevost by a pro converter that was never a bus with low miles that guy is dreaming he has a $20,000 unit if he is lucky in today's market
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2013, 05:48:34 PM »

I would look at the 5C before the 9. A 5C is like a 9, only 5 feet shorter. If everything is as described, it would be a bargain even at $40 000. Unless you really want to look at a Prevost Roll Eyes... If the A/Cs are in the baggage compartments, with the plumbing and electrical, there won't be much space left for baggage. I have a 5C with the same powertrain and I get around 7 to 7.5 miles/US gal., which is normal. Great bus.

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2013, 06:00:48 PM »

Gave $57,000 for a 91 prevost xl mirage 3 years ago with 52,000 one owner miles. Heck the 15 kw Kubota gen set only had 25 hours on it.  Have spent upgrading things though. I guess if you feel a price is right for you and you have the green go for it. Enjoying it rat now parked down on the Gulf Coast in Texas.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 06:03:50 PM »

I know a guy who looked at this one the 5C and said it was pretty dated on the inside and was not impressed. He said the guy told him he had worked on it for 20 years??? Said he was a nice guy but wanted to much and would not go below 38K for sure. Motor was in good shape, cabinets not finished.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2013, 06:25:34 PM »

Dave5Cs - the pink shades would definitely have to go but did he say anything about the mechanicals? Would he be willing to talk with me?

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2013, 06:33:40 PM »

Look him up in the members, "Geom" I am sure he would be willing to talk to you about it. His name is George.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2013, 07:14:36 PM »

Much thanks Dave!
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2013, 08:30:34 PM »

I'd steer away from anything that has been repowered with an engine the bus did not come with........too big a risk of cooling issues

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2013, 08:55:04 PM »

The 6V92 and Allison transmision is a common upgrade in a 5. It has worked very well for numerous happy owners. Mine with 90 injectors, does not have an overheating problem.

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2013, 09:00:15 PM »

The 8v71 radiators in a 5 should handle a 6v92 without any problems they are about the same engine in cubic inches
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« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2013, 03:59:17 AM »

The real expense that is not usually foreseen in buying a conversion is running gear, engine, and with MCI's the air beams, springs and other rust.  If this bus has an original 42K miles and 9K on the engine and trans, the shell is probably worth $20K at least.  Add in a usable conversion that is updateable, add $10K.  I'd give in the mid $30's for this if the story checks out.  It's probably worth a lot more than that given the miles.  It's effectively a new old bus.

Edit:  Satellite system, dual central air, Trace 4KW inverter, 350 AH of industrial Batteries, 6500W Onan, Webasto, stainless steel water tanks, put that basically new conversion stuff on a credit card and you'd spend close to $25K  Ross integral steering upgrade too, missed that the first time.  I think that for anyone who wanted a bus conversion and wanted to actually use it as opposed to have it sit in the driveway and get worked on, this bus could be ideal.  It's selling for less than I've spent on my 5C and mine has a couple of million miles on the frame.

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2013, 08:25:21 AM »

Dave,  Did George buy something or did he give up.  He hasn't been on the board in awhile.

The interior updating could be done as you go and for about $2K, new window treatments, re upholstery, carpet, etc.  Those things are a lot cheaper than all the other stuff.

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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2013, 09:17:28 AM »

Don,
No they are still looking and still quite excited about it. I found a few for them and they keep finding some also. Just not road ready on some of them.

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2013, 01:20:25 PM »

I spoke to the owner today for over 2 hours - an absolutely lovely gentleman. Pics of the storage and engine bays show clean and he clearly has taken good care.  Interior is dated but I am waiting on clearer inside pics with shades pulled up. He was friends with the original owner Obie.  The bus was bought in the late '80's.It was originally used for base service members at a missle base. It had a broken down engine when Obie bought it - govt sold/stored in a hangar.  Conversion began 1992-93 (20 years) but not driven till 1995.  Parked in Obie's shop (down South) for many years.  He lost interest when his wife passed away so his friend bought it and continued the conversion and upgrades. Now his spouse can't travel.   It's now in Illinois not covered.

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Tires 4 years old
There are now two radiators; shutters removed?
Electricals run thru walls not floor; breakers at source and then to Breaker panel.
No solar panels but inverter setup
Scrubber batteries (four - 6 volt)
Engine has an extra 200 Amp Leese Neville Alternator but its disconnected?

Waiting on Geom's call but this bus, and Cary and Don's, and Gerry's are all solid owner-loved and cared for buses.

Thank you all for all your help.
Does anyone have an "apple to apple" chart (in Excel or Word) to keep track and compare?
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2013, 03:08:15 PM »

Spoke to Geom.  He walked me through and confirmed mechanicals.  Engine and storage bays so clean one could eat out of them.  He and his wife cook a lot and the back bedroom is set up more like a guest bedroom with the sofa bed so it didn't work for him but with minimal upgrades like sofas, carpeting and dining booths removed and easy to clean flooring installed this is a contender.
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2013, 04:29:26 PM »

Still not worth 40 grand. Closely check for rust issues underneath. Spending a lot of time sitting doesn't help either. I'd say 25 to 30 tops, if chassis and body is solid. Too many out there at great prices with more to offer.
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2013, 04:40:12 PM »

The MC5 always had 2 radiators, one on each side. Ask if it has the stock size squirrel cage rad fans with stock size pulley, or was it upgraded to  larger fans and smaller pulley off a MC9 for more air flow for more cooling. Also does it have the larger MC9 rads? Those upgrades are common with a 6V92TA swap. I see in the picture the turbo is on top of the engine, which means that the bedroom floor was raised to make room for it.

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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2013, 05:01:50 PM »

If i had to replace my 5A i think that i would be taking a close look at this C.   
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2013, 05:19:01 PM »

You can tell by the info the radiators are stock he says small injectors, the 33,000 original  miles I would question the 6v71 is not a great engine but they last longer than 33,000 miles,I would diffidently run the serial number on the engine to be sure it is a sliver engine it has the old style water pump 
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« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2013, 03:46:53 AM »

FWIW, so far (2K miles) my 5C radiators are cooling my 350 hp 8V71T just fine.  Not California heat and mountains, mind you, but still doing a good job.

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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2013, 02:57:08 PM »

Bought our unconverted 1978 5C w/33,000 original miles for $7,780.  Love it.  It, like this one, was a GSA military lease in it's first life. 

Personally, I'd rather park mine in the driveway and do the conversion myself than spend an extra $33K+ for a 30-year-old conversion.  That said, I do like that bus.
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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2013, 03:28:02 PM »

Midwilshire was yours an 8 or a 6?

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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2013, 09:15:13 PM »

8v71.  Had out of frame rebuild and new (refurbed) Allison installed about 10k miles before I bought it. 
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2013, 09:59:57 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2013, 06:23:16 PM »

We all missed the "deal". Hi yo silver just sold his near perfect Custom Coach MC9 for less than that. I saw it, and am still hurting over seeing that one go. By far the best buy I have seen in a very long time.
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2013, 07:21:13 AM »

Looks to be a nice rig, I dont think the price is too high for what it is. If it was up in Canada here it wouldnt be for sale long, most bus conversions around have lots of miles on them and it shows. You would be lucky to find a decent cookie cutter here for that, if one were to add a slide or two and update the interior I could see it fetching double or triple here. Just my 2 cents Grin
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