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« on: October 07, 2013, 07:11:57 AM »

I am trying to hook a breaker up to throw if it does not see the pump attached  I am using a AirPax breaker 1UGZX4-22467  it has a line,load,coil and coil for terminals

 I got the idea from a Norwalk Juicer the problem is my wife will not let me disassemble the juicer to see how it is wired anyone done this or have a answer for me 2 days of trying nothing lol


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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 11:15:47 AM »

Wait until she goes shopping. Grin
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 12:21:32 PM »

Nice Ed, I'm glad i sold my Jeep or it might have come up missing  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 12:32:38 PM »

That won't do any good Ed I have to go with her  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 12:44:32 PM »

http://www.eciaauthorized.com/search/IUGZX4-22467-2
http://airpax.sensata.com/pdfs/iag.pdf

I don't know how you are sensing the presence of the pump.  This is a magnetic breaker than can trip on a signal to a coil, or on over-current.  It can light up a remote signal light, and it comes in a half-dozen different configurations.  The PDF link is the datasheet.  It's spelled with an "I", not a "1".  With all that I have no idea how to hook it up.  I suspect you have a dual coil configuration, in which one primary coil is a normal breaker function, and the secondary coil is a alternate trip function.  The part number you have doesn't match anything in their order code look-up tables.

Remarkably unhelpful, altogether...  Sorry.

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 12:50:16 PM »

I bought the breaker off the internet forgot where but that sucker cost me 50 bucks  AirPax is the only manufacture it is different the switch is part of the breaker has a off/on and momentary position 

If you remove the juicer tube from her Norwalk if you try to turn it in on the breaker treats it like short and will not turn on that is what I am after
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 02:45:10 PM »

Clifford, if you go to www.norwalkjuicers.com/  and look at the bottom of the left side it has technical info that you can click on.  That might give you the info you need or maybe you could call them and get it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2013, 04:06:07 PM »

The way it probably works is the juicer has a micro-switch that is closed when the juicer tube is out, and when you turn it on that shorts the secondary coil in the breaker, telling it to trip the breaker. 

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2013, 04:59:09 PM »

I have no clue what you are all talking about, but I am almost certain from a product liability standpoint no manufacturer in their right mind would build a product with a design to intentionally trip a breaker when a part is not in place or not working. I can envision microswitches, or some type of sensor to open a circuit, but no way can I ever imagine something to intentionally create a short.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 05:38:34 PM »

I don't know they do it Jon there are no micro switches, the system has worked for Norwalk for 75 years it has to be simple because with the tube removed it won't spark it will start to turn the shaft and throw the breaker 

 The wife says Norwalk is the Prevost of juicers  Roll Eyes hell it even uses Transynd , I will figure it out  
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2013, 03:52:21 AM »

The tube itself could make the circuit between the contacts, it doesn't have to be a separate switch.  But there is going to be some control circuit along with the power circuit that senses the tube.  Jon, the breaker in question has a separate switch coil designed to do this so it's not creating a power short to pop the breaker.  It's not your grandma's breaker...   Grin  The breaker is also designed to be the on/off switch.  They even come in panel-mount toggle switch form/factor.

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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2013, 04:42:01 AM »

Hey Clifford how about a "pressure" switch?
If it's a pump it must create some kind of pressure right?
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2013, 05:25:51 AM »

I don t know about the switch either, but my wife says if it was her she would be upset if I messed with her juicer tube and she wasn t there.
Hope that helped Grin
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2013, 05:31:26 AM »

Brian got it thanks Brian I removed the tube and jumped across the 2 studs and it worked success at last
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2013, 09:05:08 AM »

Now you have to figure out how to make it sense if your pump is there or not.  I completely can't visualize what the heck you are trying to do...

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