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« on: January 16, 2014, 08:01:19 PM »

Hi All, just brought the Italian Greyhound back from ww williams, I too have had a clicking sound, which increases with speed, with my rear wheels. I had an 18 wheelers rear wheels explode in front of me, a full carcass came flying at the bus, tumbled under the bus, causing great damage to the jeep toad. I have been suspicious that this ticking may be damage from this incident. Anyway, Ive become concerned enough to bring it to ww williams, here in LV. Mind you I havent noticed anything different driving the bus, maybe slightly out of alignment. Well the great old mechanic, Chuck the 2 cycle guy has retired, but there is a great young guy named Esty who has become the old bus mechanic, includimg 2 cycle 8V71s. He walked along side, pinpointing the clicking to the rear axle, pulled the wheels, it has fluid bearings lube not grease, emptyed  the rear end (it had been a while), it had grit  but no chunks, indicating the bearings had not broken apart, he thought there might be a broken brake spring, but all was good. He thinks I should replace the motor mounts, he replaced the rear end fluid, inspected the under carrage, but couldnt find the cause of the clicking, at great expense mind you. Any ideas? Lvmci...
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2014, 09:03:40 PM »

Clicking? Yes, I do have an idea. Pull your wheels and inspect VERY carefully for cracks in the rims. Also, if you have wheel simulators, pull those off and try without.

We had something almost identical to you, and couldn't figure it out for about 4K miles. Turns out it was a cracked rim (steel). New rim, no problems.

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 03:09:14 AM »

The last time I had such symptoms (on a car, not a bus), it turned out to simply be a rock jammed firmly in the treads. Pried it out with a tool and it was fixed. I'm glad it wasn't a nail.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2014, 03:23:43 AM »

Check the easy stuff mention if that fails,then check the end play on the drive shaft going into the drop box if you have end play unfortunately the drop box will need to come off and the bearings pre-loaded again I hope you have a simple fix not the drop box

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2014, 07:38:48 AM »

Thanks, will check what was mentioned, I have noticed that the sound does not sound muffled in anyway, like it was on the interior of something, or surrounded by fluid, you can hear the clicking in side with the door closed, loud enough to think it was coming from the front passenger wheel at first. Lvmci...
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2014, 07:45:07 AM »

If the speedometer drives off the front wheel check that out
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2014, 08:39:58 AM »

As mentioned above, wheel simulators can do that.  With repeated removal and replacement, the wholes become enlarged so that the simulator flops as you roll.  I had that problem and was very concerned until I found what it was.  I used some washers to tighten them up.  There are some cheap, thin electrical ones that are the perfect size.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2014, 09:28:00 AM »

Check your lug nuts too. One or two being just a little loose will make a clicking sound.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2014, 09:46:12 AM »

Thanks guys, I will remove the simulators and drive it, check the front wheels for speedo cable, the kid removed the wheels to look at the brake drums, the cracked wheel is also a thought, thanks John, lvmci...
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2014, 11:06:07 AM »

If it is the wheel simulators, you will probably be able to move them with your hands while they are still on the wheels.  I could shake rather easily.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 07:17:09 PM »

Hi Guys, took off the rear simulator and voila, the noise moved to the front! Heres what I think happened, indeed the noise was mostly coming from the simulator, thanks so much guys, I took it of, my friend walked along side and he said a much quiter clicking was coming from the front, which is where I first heard it. Im gonna remove the front simulator tommorrow. My friend even offered to drive the bus, so that I could listen, he never wanted to drive the bus before! I gonna try the washer idea, have you guys tried hard rubber washers, or just steel? $900 for pulling off the hubcaps, Im happy tho, with the inspection of the rear end, lesson learned, lvmci...
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2014, 09:27:16 PM »

I just used the washers that are used for narrowing holes in a breaker box.  I only used them on half the lugs too.  You don't even need to remove the wheel if you put the washers on one lug at a time.  They've been on about 2 years now with no problems.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2014, 07:07:16 AM »

Thanks Lin, I have a great store nearby, macFadden dale, looks like I get to shop there today, lvmci...
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2014, 10:32:55 AM »

Lin & John, did you put the washers between the nut and the simulators or the simulators and the wheels or both, thanks, lvmci...
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2014, 11:55:12 AM »

I put them between the nut and the simulator.
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2014, 02:38:21 PM »

And I took them off and never looked back. Really glad to have them gone. They looked nice, but I really like to see my wheels.

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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2014, 08:08:21 PM »

Now I'm confused, John.  I thought you stopped looking back when you removed the mirrors!
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2014, 08:13:10 PM »

We removed a set of Balance Masters from the front wheels of a bus today that was ticking like crazy he had aluminum wheels,simulators are not a good idea IMO
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2014, 10:54:03 AM »

   After dealing with those things on the 4104, I'll never use them again. What a pita to remove and re-install. Ours had aluminum pipes that supported them on the rear with nylon lug nut shape retainers with chrome lug nut covers. Rear covers stuck out to match front wheels. Looked nice though...so so to me.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2014, 12:05:13 PM »

Tom talk to Gary @ BB there now seems to be a supply of aluminum rims flowing, what with all the bus dis-mantling going on by Richard up in the north end. Wink

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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2014, 01:17:59 PM »

Thanks Van, starting a 5 day job, took off the simulators, right side, no noise, lvmci...
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2014, 05:28:41 PM »

Hi All, well John and Lin were correcto! Simulators indeed were the problemo. Took them off, passenger side, clicking sound gone! Included is some pics on how Im solving the issue. Turns out, the wheels are two nuts short of a proper set. The hollow bolts coming off the wheel lugs, 1 1/4" and the nuts to fit it, were just tightened down with a gap between the wheel, simulator and hub cap of about 1/2". I put two rubber washers and a fiber washer on the wheel side  and a fiber washer on the hub cap side, thereby holding the simulator and hub cap in a rubber mounted pressure sandwich. Will have to check every so often for tightness, but I think this will solve the clicking sound. Im happy to know the bearings, lube and most importantly the rear brakes are fine, but kicking my self for about $3/400 worth of looksee by ww williams for a non existent problem, I guess its the cost of finding out stuff for my bus, lvmci...
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2014, 05:32:37 PM »

With the hub caps on, then the nut cap,( a hub cap for a nut.), lvmci...
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2014, 06:05:42 PM »

Tom, my solution to your problem would be to toss those simulators in the trash. I prefer bare wheels, so I am able to feel for unusual heat from the hub or brakes, and look for loose wheel nuts or cracked rims when I do my pre trip and stop while on a trip.
Aluminum wheels look nice. Also steel wheels can look nice when freshly painted.

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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2014, 06:06:38 AM »

Lin,

I find it helps the aerodynamics of the bus, if we don't have mirrors Grin.

LV, glad you found the source of the problem. Always something.

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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2014, 06:21:53 AM »

Thanks JC & John, what have you done with your bare wheels? Painted or polished? Black or silver? I kinda like the stainless look, but I'm open to other looks, as long as its not the cork screw effect that might messmerize other drivers as I pass them! Lvmci...
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2014, 06:34:53 AM »

Thanks JC & John, what have you done with your bare wheels? Painted or polished? Black or silver? I kinda like the stainless look, but I'm open to other looks, as long as its not the cork screw effect that might messmerize other drivers as I pass them! Lvmci...

Ahem...ours were painted at one point. lol

They need to be painted again, but right now they are just bare.
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2014, 06:37:19 AM »

Tom, on my old bus, I kept the steel wheels painted white. Rustoleum. Touch up once a year to cover up scratches from demounting/mounting. On my current 5C, I have aluminum Alcoas that are polished. I re-polished them once last winter one day that I was really bored.

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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2014, 07:47:20 AM »

Several I know of that replaced their steel wheels have went the powder coating route done in chrome or aluminum they look good,tough and easy to clean fwiw
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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2014, 09:52:53 AM »

Tom -

I vote with JC - White Rustoleum paint, can be done with the wheels on the coach.

Another benefit:  IF you happen to have a lug nut that loosens, you'll easily see the rust mark streaks it will leave radiating out from the points of the nut.

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2014, 03:29:42 PM »

Thanks JC & John, what have you done with your bare wheels? Painted or polished? Black or silver? I kinda like the stainless look, but I'm open to other looks, as long as its not the cork screw effect that might messmerize other drivers as I pass them! Lvmci...

Hey Tom - how about rainbow swirly rims?  Smiley


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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2014, 04:33:15 PM »

The thought entered my head of maybe a jet engine swrill, so I could scare birds and small children away! Lvmci...
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