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« on: August 09, 2014, 03:51:15 PM »

Hello everyone,

Long time lurker,but first time poster. I love vintage busses and have been on the search for an early Flxible for about  two years. I've learned a lot by just reading and following everyones posts. I thank everyone for sharing your knowledge with us newbys. I don't have time to work on a bus right now so I'm looking for one already redone.

I have found a 1949 Flxible Clipper in California that I'm very interested in. I know it has been for sale for a while and some of you may already know the bus. It has been completely restored inside and out.  It is blue and white and has Starliner written on it. Not sure why since Starliners weren't made in 1949. It has a new 550 Ram Jet (gas engine)and an Allison
6 speed auto transmission. I don't know how to post pictures, but if you google "1949 Flxible bus for sale" a short video of it will pop up.

I like everything about the bus except  for the engine. I know that it will struggle on long/steep hills. They are asing 125,000.00 for her. There are no build pics but it looks to have been done right. I build and collect old cars so I'm pretty good at spotting quality work.
I plan to fly out and inspect it soon.

Is this a reasonable price for such a bus? Any input would be welcome. Thanks in advance.


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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 05:11:27 PM »

Hello Doc,

Nice to go from lurker to poster, I hope you feel welcome. I just came from the Flxible rally in OH and the bus you are looking at is very nice from what I have seen. I am a GM owner so I don't know enough about the Flxible to be any help, but there are many others here that can. That price does raise my eyebrows a bit, but I live at a different disposable income level. Happy bus hunting.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 05:19:38 PM »

I have been following Flxible buses for several years, as ours is a Dina Olímpico, which is a Flxible Flxliner clone. On the outside, the bus in the video looks great. But in my opinion, and in today's market, that is a whole lot of money for that bus. Some 24-hour days a fellow doesn't make that kind of many.

Check out all of the old Flxibles (some great, already converted; some needing a lot of TLC) here:

http://www.bargainbusnews.com/
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 05:36:07 PM »

125k would get you a nice Prevost....a nice Prevost.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2014, 06:19:13 PM »

Hiya Doc.

Glad to have you onboard. Sounds like you have a lot of fun planned.

My opinion on that bus? Cut the price in a quarter, then it might warrant taking a glance at. In this market today, it sounds to me like somebody is trying to retire off of it. Sadly, with this market, it is often the uninformed buyer that pays that for a vintage bus. Is it worth it? I doubt it, since it has a gas engine.

Boomer, are you out there? How much would you sell your incredible conversion that you were working on? I don't know what kind of bus it is, but it might be called a silver sides. It is the most incredible conversion I have seen. I know he wouldn't part with that masterpiece. However, I think that would be worth at least 125K. And that has been rebuilt like nobodies business.

If it was me, I would keep looking. With your budget, it should help a lot.

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2014, 07:30:52 PM »

Doc, just tried to send you a personal message but it doesn't show in my sent messages so i don't know if it went.  Did you get it?Huh    Ed
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2014, 07:35:34 PM »

Thank you for the warm welcome and reply to my post. I know I could buy a Prevost or other modern bus for that kind of money, but I REALLY want a vintage bus. I think I have seen the Silverside that is mentioned above. If it is the one with the art deco interior done by Paradise Coach, I agree it is amazing. That bus has kept me up many nights dreaming of  tooling around with the grandkids in tow,  Any other responses will be appreciated.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2014, 07:38:04 PM »

Hi Ed,

Just saw your PM. I'll go read it now. Thanks
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2014, 08:12:02 PM »

I found it. The bus is Mark Renner's, and it is a Silverside. That holds the prize, in my book, as the most amazing restored coach that I have seen pics of. http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=24881.0

If the bus that you are looking at is like this one, it might be worth a look. But, since it has a gas engine, I can pretty safely say it is nowhere near Mark's conversion. I would keep on looking.

Have fun.

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 12:37:53 AM »

the Flxible Doc's original post pointed at on uTube has been up for sale for over a year, or more.  the price mentioned would have bought 6 or 8 nice Flx's on eBay over the last 2 or 3 years including a VERY nice original motorhome produced by Flxible itself in near mint condition that, as I recall, brought less than $15 thousand.
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 03:12:16 AM »

Doc go for it.

Hell we all spend plenty on our "cheap conversions". I realize no one here is responsible for the bus market being down. But we don't help it when we always talk it down LOL.

Just an observation from far away
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 04:47:13 AM »

Doc go for it.....

Awww, come on John. We like the guy, and don't want him to spend all of his repair money on a conversion. The market isn't good, I agree. However, he can probably save enough to pay for a nice vacation for me Grin.
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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 06:20:11 AM »

It's all the factory conversions from the 80's and 90's driving the market down they are considered a antique and selling cheap  Huh there was a time when people could make a few bucks on a self done conversion those days are gone.I know where a 54 converted Flx is at a buy it has a 366 Chevy gas engine also.

We are in Scottsdale right now I was visiting with my friend whom is a doctor that buys a new bus every 2 or 3 years unbelievable a new bus can sit in a hanger and depreciate 1000 bucks a day that is a lot of cash, used antique buses may be the way to go Grin
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 06:40:08 AM »

I've been at railes with that flxible and it was there with million dollar prevos, but that flex was my favorite and the only one I wanted to get all up into.  So I get your love with it. It's a really Nice coach
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2014, 10:23:03 AM »

Doc -

I think the reason the Flxible you're considering hasn't sold in well over a year of being available is because it's WAY over-priced in today's market.  It would probably sell relatively quickly (in the bus world) if the owner would knock a hundred grand off the price.

Here are a few more resources for you to help in your search:

Yahoo Group: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/flxowners/info

Flxible Owners International: http://flxibleowners.org/

Sell-A-Bus: http://sellabus.com/flxible.html

On the S-A-B site, I know the fellow in Redding, CA who did the conversion on that particular Flx.  Altho I haven't seen the Flx personally, I have seen a couple other coaches he's converted.  He does absolutely superb work, equal to, or better than, many of the "professional" conversion shops.

BTW, the website Dr Steve mentioned (barganbusnews) is well-known for "stealing" listings from other websites as their own.

At this point, I would suggest you continue doing your homework before taking the plunge. 

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2014, 10:31:04 AM »

I'm still laughing at the price.  Even if it includes a Ferrari as the towed, it's too high.

Cheers, John
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2014, 02:25:20 PM »

Thanks everyone for your help. lots to ponder.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2014, 07:07:58 PM »

If the bus is in perfect shape, and you don't have to spend any money on it for several years, then $120k would be good. I have spent close to that over the years (20) on my conversion. Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2014, 07:24:53 PM »

Doc -

I'd get a very experienced mechanic to spend a few days and go through it with a fine tooth comb.  I'd also get an appraisal for it.  If you have that kind of money to spend then the cost of a mechanics time and a real appraisal isnt a whole lot more and will protect your investment.  I'd think you'd have a hard time getting it appraised for more than 75k.

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Buy what makes you happy, he will undoubtedly take a lesser offer then both of you will be happy, you for getting a "deal" and the seller for finding a buyer that will appreciate his coach, win win. (I wouldn't give that advice to everyone but if you have the money to spend on such things, go for it)
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2014, 01:28:03 PM »

IMHO the 49 is an amateur conversion with an inadequate engine and a mediocre interior. (not intended as an insult) those issues could be looked past if the bus was cheap. consider scaring up a deal on a ready to use more modern bus. there are unbelievable turn key deals out there esp for a guy with cash ready to buy. go out and use it with the grand kids if you have the bug to get out. then find a vintage bus and commission a build to your specs at the same place doing the Renner conversion. it is forseeable that in the next few years the economy improves and you can probably off your new bus for what you paid for it if you buy it right. you will have more into your vintage conversion than its worth but probably not a whole lot more than its worth and it will be pretty close to or maybe even exactly what you want. its a much better scenario than having far more into the 49 than it is worth and having to live with its shortcomings. or put more $ into the 49. or sell at a sizeable loss. it will be impossible for you to sell anywhere near the price they are asking. I believe the only way you will enjoy a vintage conversion is if you build a fresh one with state of the art components front to back--like the Renner coach. just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2014, 02:52:34 PM »

Go to your browser and type in "1947 flex bus".This will take you to what is actually a 1946 Flex that looks pretty good .It to has been changed out to a gas engine $5500.00.Now ,how do we go about splitting the 119,500.00 that is left?


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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2014, 05:12:54 PM »

Doc -

BTW, the website Dr Steve mentioned (barganbusnews) is well-known for "stealing" listings from other websites as their own.


also, that site marks up the price 2-4 times what the real owner is asking.
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2014, 04:00:50 AM »

Thanks everyone.
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2014, 11:04:10 AM »

Hope this is not an example of another member being pushed away!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2014, 03:52:00 PM »

Doc,

check out the Flxible on the Atlanta, GA craigslist and save $110K - it is not as cosmetically nice as the one you mentioned and just as that one, you'd best check it out with somebody who knows buses (& preferably Flx's).  Pluses are the 6V71 engine and bathroom with tub.  Minuses are cosmetic due to some rust and unusual sleeping layout.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/rvs/4568538934.html

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2014, 04:25:06 PM »

Barret Auction's has or had a flex for sale for 45,000.00.Talk about eye candy!! Problem was ,it also had a gas engine.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2014, 04:44:46 PM »

Doc,

check out the Flxible on the Atlanta, GA craigslist and save $110K - it is not as cosmetically nice as the one you mentioned and just as that one, you'd best check it out with somebody who knows buses (& preferably Flx's).  Pluses are the 6V71 engine and bathroom with tub.  Minuses are cosmetic due to some rust and unusual sleeping layout.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/rvs/4568538934.html

edward

Maybe just a typo, I think that is a 6-71 not 6V71.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2014, 05:36:46 PM »

i believe i'd pay a 100k for the one posted before i'd pay 14k for the brown one...
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