Bus Conversion Magazine Bulletin Board
December 17, 2017, 03:25:01 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: If you had an Online Subscription: It will not get torn up or crushed if you back over it with your bus.
   Home   Help Forum Rules Search Calendar Login Register BCM Home Page Contact BCM  
Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Tire Chains  (Read 524 times)
RJ
Angola Coach Conversion "Aesop's Tortoise"
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3534





Ignore
« on: November 07, 2017, 07:11:53 PM »

I know 99% of us hate the idea of tire chains, and the majority of us don't carry them, but an interesting thought crossed my mind:

If you have chains on board for the coach, do you also have to carry a set for the car if you're flat towing?

I'm going to pose this question to a good friend of mine who's with CHP Air Ops to get an interpretation.

Good question, eh?

 Wink
Logged

RJ Long
PD4106-2784 No More
S13406 1978 MC-5C Converted
6V71/MT-644
S14947 1980 MC-5C Shell
6V92/HT-740
Cheney WA
Dave5Cs
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3090


1979 MCI MC5Cs 6V-71 644MT Allison, Roseville, CA




Ignore
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 10:23:41 PM »

Nope only vehicles under their own power need chains.  They are for traction to move forward. My guess. Being I was a skier and chain monkey many years ago but never had to chain up a toad. Good question though. Grin
Logged

"PATHFINDER"(Bus)
Toed 1998 Jeep TJ
somewhereinusa
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 159



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2017, 05:25:40 AM »

Don't know about chains on a towed but, most states require chains on at least one trailer tire on a semi. You don't want that trailer passing you on the way down.
Logged

1991 Bluebird AARE
1999 Ford Ranger
Andrews,IN
luvrbus
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Posts: 18597




Ignore
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 05:31:06 AM »

I believe that will vary from state to state I have seen truckers pulling double and triple trailers with chains on the jeep for steering in Idaho
Logged

Life is short drink the good wine first
Paso One
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 571





Ignore
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 07:00:33 AM »



Good question, eh?

 Wink

Hey RJ when did you start learning to speak Canadian Eh!  Smiley
Logged

68 5303 Fishbowl 40' x 102" 6V92 V730  PS, Air shift  4:10
1996 MCI 102 D3
Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM
Publisher - BCM
Help Team
Hero Member
****
Online Online

Posts: 797



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 07:06:07 AM »

Good question Russ.  I have almost always owned a 4WD vehicle (or FWD) so I don't bother with chains normally for driving around town or as a toad. I have never put on chains for normal driving but growing up in snow country I know my limits. I stay home when it gets that bad.  If you have to put chains on a 4WD then you shouldn't be going out. :-)  I stay home if the going gets that bad or have been known to drive the snowmobile downtown to get groceries if we got snowed in which has happened.  

My comment/question is, would having chains on the toad allow a bus to stop faster if you applied the brakes. I am guessing it should help some, but it would of course be hard to tell realistically without some actually testing.  Or is that what you were getting at?
Logged

1967 Eagle with Series 60 Power Plant
Gary@BusConversions.com
lostagain
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2381


MC5C




Ignore
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 07:08:17 AM »

Looking at the laws for tire chains in BC, I don't see any requirement for chains on the trailer (or towed vehicle). I do see that the camper, or tow vehicle, is required to have "mountain/snow flake" or "M&S" tires on the drive axle. I could not figure out if regular tires would be legal if you carry chains. That is what I have done for over 40 years, both in commercial and recreational service, without any trouble. The police does reserve the right to turn any vehicle around if conditions warrant.

It is interesting to note that cable type chains are only legal if used on the inner dual, as long as the outer dual is fitted with regular steel chains. The reason being that cable chains do not prevent lateral slippage.

Every state and province has their own requirements. But I think having a set of chains in the baggage tank will get you through anywhere, both legally, and practically.

JC
Logged

JC
Blackie AB
1977 MC5C, 6V92/HT740
Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM
Publisher - BCM
Help Team
Hero Member
****
Online Online

Posts: 797



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 07:20:39 AM »

JC, didn't know that about cable chains.  Glad to know as that is what I carry now but only for emergencies.  But I figure they are only about half as effective as real tire chains, but better than nothing.

Logged

1967 Eagle with Series 60 Power Plant
Gary@BusConversions.com
TomC
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 8472





Ignore
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 07:27:01 AM »

When looking at regulations for trailer chains, keep in mind some refer to them as drag chains
Logged

Tom & Donna Christman. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.
Dave5Cs
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3090


1979 MCI MC5Cs 6V-71 644MT Allison, Roseville, CA




Ignore
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 11:11:50 AM »

RJ when you ask your friend about this, if he says we have to put them on the Toad also, then folks with 4x4 like us would have to chain up front two or back two or both?

And also would we be putting the axles at risk or the u joints because of tire size turning at different ratios as in someone putting different sized tires on a 4x4 front being larger or smaller than back tires which is a no-no. Wouldn't it be the same on some 4x4 that still even in neutral have the axles turning still while in Toad mode? Unless they could keep the chains in the exact same place on each tire which would not happen.
Dave5Cs Grin Roll Eyes Shocked
Logged

"PATHFINDER"(Bus)
Toed 1998 Jeep TJ
luvrbus
Hero Member
*****
Online Online

Posts: 18597




Ignore
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 11:25:02 AM »

Don't you know the chains would beat a tow vehicle to death with the smaller tires trying to turn the same rpm as a 12r 22.5 bus tire   
Logged

Life is short drink the good wine first
boxcarOkie
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1667





Ignore
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2017, 11:46:00 AM »

Oh hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I know they grow a lot of weed out there on the coast, perhaps it is that, and NOT water?

When was the last time you saw a trucker chain up a trailer to go over Donner or any other pass for that matter?

End of argument ... case closed.

Clifford, I tried both numbers (actually all three) and got voice mail.

BCO
Logged

http://boxcarokie.com/
Sometimes hilarious.   
Sometimes serious. 
Always entertaining. 
Accept no substitutes.
lostagain
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2381


MC5C




Ignore
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 11:50:33 AM »

Boxcar, Clifford must be outside practicing chaining up, lol. Try him later.

JC
Logged

JC
Blackie AB
1977 MC5C, 6V92/HT740
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!