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« on: December 05, 2017, 09:56:39 AM »

I'm sure half of you just like to travel in your own project and get back to your home comforts. I have a wildly different agenda. I have purchased several acres of land in my area (45245) in an effort to create a so called village, or at least my own base camp while I live full time in my converted MCI bus. The land is just a stones throw from the City limits, so there are slightly less regulated hoops. I search often for similar type places. There ARE tiny house communities, although not close to Cincinnati.

My plan is to develop my land with the equipment I own and live in my MCI bus full time. I own over 6 acres of wooded land near Coney Island where I currently live. If anyone has any similar aspirations, please feel free to contact me. I encourage others to join me if your in the area! You can park a tiny house, Bus, or any other full time residence.

The post is also a place where someone can post a link where I might find ANY info on similar places, in order to collaborate. Mostly there are communities in Washington and Oregon, go figure.

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 01:19:42 PM »

We had thought of getting a piece of land somewhere to park our coach for lengthy vacations, but one thing that we kept running into were restrictions on living on land without what the authorities considered 'proper' improvements. They don't always approve of simply parking a self-contained home (bus) and putting out a welcome mat.

I'd be interested in reading about how you're going about this, and if you have found a way around all the volumes of zoning reg's. Could be interesting reading.
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 03:18:10 PM »

Good luck but check the government rules.  Here in Washington you can not living in your RV except in approved/licensed RV sites. 
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 04:47:16 PM »

Most rural counties in California if you own the land in full and are paying the Property taxes as unimproved land. They don't care. But get close to a city and all bets are off.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 04:50:40 PM »

Finding a place where you can live in an RV in full time mode (i.e. power and sewer connections) is similar to the regulations one encounters with the street. It's fairly easy to find places to park an RV on the street (72 hours) but rare to find one where you can "camp overnight". Same goes with parking an RV along side your house on your property; you can store and park it but no living out of it. Of course, there are plenty of places where one can get away with it but if you get ratted out, you'll be fighting city hall.

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 05:40:54 PM »

I've been interested in this topic for years and have yet to find a place where it's acceptable within county zoning rules in any state that I've lived in. With that said, there are many places where you can "get away with it" but if you ever have a dispute with a neighbor, you'll get the hard lesson from the county really quick. Some places have "hardship" clauses for family members to live on site but only until the hardship is past, then it's move along time or hope you've become enough of a fixture that they've forgotten you're there. Still shaky ground, literally.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 06:35:58 PM »

That was why I mentioned Rural as in 10 acres away from neighbors on your own property not in the city or even close. Windy you won't find this kind of place in the Bay area or anywhere near it. I am surprised they even let you drive a Bus down there without an electric motor and the kitchen a certified Vegan setup, LOL
On the outskirts of a rural county area generally works. We have a friend who does it for 6 months at a time way out near a lake and a Salmon river up north and has for years. He goes down to AZ in the winter.
I have another friend who had two rentals on 15 acres and he bought 3 30 foot travel trailers. We moved them in and concreted pier blocks under them at the corners but can be removed when needed. Put in a tapped water line so they could hook up to them and electric for them also and the county was happy to have them off the streets. Its not an RV park each is a separate rental. It all depends on the way you do it and where. HTH
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2017, 07:59:01 PM »

Hi Guy's,

Build a storage building, (barn, pole barn, garage) park your bus inside and your problems are solved.

Yea, you won't have the view out your window but, your county would not know the difference of what you are doing.

Heat, A/C, and water/sewer would be a breeze. You can be fully hooked up all the time and have a shop to boot! Wink

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2017, 10:58:24 PM »

Hi Guy's,

Build a storage building, (barn, pole barn, garage) park your bus inside and your problems are solved.

Yea, you won't have the view out your window but, your county would not know the difference of what you are doing.

Heat, A/C, and water/sewer would be a breeze. You can be fully hooked up all the time and have a shop to boot! Wink

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As stated, there are plenty of ways, simple or creative, to skirt the zoning ordinances; it does seem low odds to do it legally.
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I am surprised they even let you drive a Bus down there without an electric motor and the kitchen a certified Vegan setup, LOL

After getting my side mirror bashed off in LA traffic, unless forced, it won't be on Bay Area roads; it's stored in Rio Vista, Sacramento county and it's all good.  LOL
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 03:48:07 AM »

"develop my land with the equipment I own" What kind o development are you talking about? These days, people are more observant with the goings on around them and tend to react quicker to out of the ordinary developments. In your area, I wonder if you could even put up a building and get away with living inside it in your whatever. What about electricity, sewage, and trash disposal? Property taxes? We aren't talking commune are we?
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 04:22:03 AM »

        Gary Throneberry ("Garhawk" on the forum) lives near a big, internationally known, horseshow facility.  A person who he met from out of town bought a piece of land (I'd guess 1 1/2 to 2 acres) right on the highway about 3 miles out of town, put in a loop driveway with a level pad, water and sewer, and electric.  He'd come to town for stays of some length.  He had parking for his horse trailer and everything he needed for his RV (dunno if it was an RV, a travel trailer, a coach etc.).  I guess he had water/sewer and electric permits but I don't think anybody ever bothered him.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 04:57:25 AM »

lots of places in mid - north florida that have removed the modular homes and the power , well , septic are still there

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 05:33:57 AM »

Thanks for all the replies on this topic. There was a few hand shakes with neighbors and someone from the zoning board to be able to allow "full-time" living in a temporary house. I have heard the horror stories with Florida and other conservative states. Thankfully Ohio is somewhere in the middle with loose legislation on the topic.

Nick,
I do plan to create a pole barn with many of the timbers from the trees I've downed and some additional supplies. The us will be parked under the canopy next to it.

I have 1-2 others with a tiny house and a skoolie conversion that plan to join / help me develop. I look forward to the challenge! Like I said, please feel free to reach out if your in the area.

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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2017, 06:27:09 AM »

I think this is a bold plan. I sold my 9 acres and property up north.

I'm currently full timing in the summer and renting a place by the lake , while my bus is in storage, over the cold winters.

I do intend to perhaps do something similar in time.

I like the idea of a community- however the issue I have is that I don't really align with most of the values of many interested in such things:


I don't like the idea of tiny houses and/or minimalism- When you've come from Europe and travelled- and you have lived in places where there is no choice but to be minimalist and live in a shoebox, you take a different view to it over here. I like communities helping one another out but I'm really not into collectivism. I left all of that behind

-I like to LIVE well, and I LOVE fast powerful cars/vehicles, especially vintage cars and coaches

-I dont necessarily think money is a bad thing or achieving/doing well in your career

-But I do like travelling and meeting people and looking after my fine machinery

-I'm pretty much a pro-individualist/libertarian rather than a communal/live off the land/ghost/drop out

Despite all of this - the nomadic lifestyle really appeals to me. I don't think there are many that combine my weird values but its interesting to hear about your 'community' none the less

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2017, 07:40:32 AM »

I love the idea of a bold plan.
I absolutely hate money!  Angry
I make plenty of it, but I typically find creative ways to help less fortunate people improve their lives. I want to see people thrive

I also hate the idea of a "Career". I spend my days in the office and monitor aerospace test engineering in test cells and huge buildings. I certainly agree that being lazy is not a provable quality, but working a 9-5 is for the birds unless you absolutely love it. To each their own!

I'm 30 now and I don't care to spend my time planning for retirement. I want to travel now! Instead I invest in real estate on the side and plan to ditch the office life ASAP!

I want to see others happy not monetarily rich. I have plenty of motorcycles and off road toys, but I'd rather see my less fortunate friends tearing them up than I. Its just a hunk of metal.

I also don't agree with creating the idea of a left or right sided political affiliation. I don't particularly like our communist government, they like to take and not give!

I'm also not here to debate, I'm simply looking for talent. I want to help others. If you need someone to cut wood flooring or rebuild an old Detroit diesel, I'm here for that. The plan stands, build a community under human umbrella - not authority. I like "living of the land" and having community. I think as humans we are nomadic and social creatures. Again, opinionated.

Anyone please feel free to reach out with any ideas you may have to influence this project. I have some resources, but second opinions matter, and there are ideas I have not even considered!

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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2017, 09:51:38 AM »

Jay,

I fully agree with you that we need some sort of "community" where RV's, tiny houses, and such can be used ---and be legal.  You would think the hardcore environmentalists would be pushing for these types under the guise of zoning since it reduces each persons impact(negative impact) on the environment.  I would love to build a "tiny house" on my ten acres, but the minimum house size is 750 sq ft, and only one house is allowed.  ----BUT, I can have a Bed and Breakfast is allowed! Smiley Smiley  -----So my B & B house is going to have a "storage shed" which requires no inspections if it is under 500 sq ft.  -- you know where I will be. Grin

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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2017, 10:39:45 AM »

In Nova Scotia "camps" are common, under 215 square feet needs no permit.  I'm going to build a camp on my property next spring, to house my newly acquired 100 year old wood stove and it will be my wife's summer kitchen.  We allow campers to be parked on land no problem, but a permanent structure (not on wheels, basically) needs to be over 750 square feet to be a dwelling.  So people all over have their acre or two, put in septic and a well, have a shed to terminate the electric service from the street and house the pump, and plug in the RV.
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 12:57:23 PM »

I'm sure there are lots of FB groups for folks who are into the communal lifestyle. OTR and RTS busnuts don't park and live as you are planning. Schoolie folks tend toward more tribal living so try those sites too. Good luck
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 01:01:21 PM »

I'd certainly be in favor of such camps.  We'd probably need to include a little supervision just to help people remember not to poison the ground water and each other with broken septic systems and the like.  But then again here we go with more government--what's a boy to do? Huh  Jack
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2017, 01:06:50 PM »

Jack - you must have forgot what Zephod does. Let the gray water run onto the ground and poop in a 5 gallon bucket then go dig a hole and bury it. Problem solved. BTW - where is he lately? LOL
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2017, 05:25:48 PM »

If you're just  going to park your bus and live in it because you like the idea of a steel shell surrounding you, think cargo container  Grin A great start on a little house...  Grin Bullet proof, hail storm proof, and will float in a flood. I think I see the 12 horsemen coming now  Shocked Drifting  Grin


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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2017, 06:50:02 PM »

If you're just  going to park your bus and live in it because you like the idea of a steel shell surrounding you, think cargo container  Grin A great start on a little house...  Grin Bullet proof, hail storm proof, and will float in a flood. I think I see the 12 horsemen coming now  Shocked Drifting  Grin


Oh wait, that's the moderators    Grin  Grin
Even a 40' shipping container doesn't have as much space as a bus because it doesn't have underfloor storage bays, unless you dig a hole under it for a cellar.   If I wasn't already converting my bus, I would have given serious thought to a 53' refrigerated semi trailer  -  already well insulated, space underneath for plenty of storage bins and tanks, even a reefer unit for ultra-cold A/C in all weathers!   Just cut in a few windows, and it's all straight walls and ceiling* inside.   And when you want to move, just rent a semi tractor from Ryder or pay someone to haul it.   Just an idea.

I'm interested in this thread's suggestions.   I have this (probably silly) idea of buying a small patch of undeveloped land somewhere rural, VERY rural, and surreptitiously parking my bus there while living in it.   With 2000 watts of solar and 220 gallons of water I should be able to stay off-grid for several weeks at a time.   A trip to town every month to dump and replenish would be sufficient.   I don't need no stinkin' hookups!

John

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2017, 02:37:21 PM »

Zephod BTW - where is he lately? LOL


Don -

Our hero hasn't posted since 10/14/17, where he ranted:

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=32443.msg366658#msg366658

But, as you said, skoolie folk think differently. . .

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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2017, 03:12:33 PM »

RJ - That was in jest. He got banned from BCM. The other character Uncle Augie got banned from all our normal stops. Only see him now and then on BCI on FB.  Thanks mods!
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2017, 10:43:45 AM »

I converted the bus to Live / Travel. I can "Work from home" if I feel the need to take an extended trip West of stay at one of my other properties. So the coach bus was perfect! Large enough to live full time, with bonus bays under, and a 400 hp to pull toys, whether years/ months and just agile enough to hit the road and stay at most campgrounds. I plan to have the camp in Ohio as my base to return and work of course. I will ultimately buy more parcels near large cities to allow for either temporary living or just a place to camp for a week.


The idea is just to have some commoners live/ build / repair / collaborate at this place. I have a 20ft container. Prob bury that in the hillside area and store stuff in it.

I'll prob pick up a lumber mill somewhere and build a pole barn or at least a garage this next season from some of the trees I've fallen, just to store the bus or have a shelter if need be.

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