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« on: April 20, 2007, 07:48:21 AM »

Prior to my trip last Feb i was shopping for a small compressor to carry on the bus. I did not want an oil less one, as i feel that is a cheaper way to make them, but not a better way. Sears had a small compressor on sale for 99.99. They offered a 1 year extension to the standard 1 year warranty for 15.00. So for 2 years, if it ever fails it will be replaced at any Sears location. It comes with a 25' coiled hose, quick connects, various fittings, blow gun, inflator etc. I have seen similar accessory packs at WalMart for 20.00. So at 115.00 plus tax the price was great, but i had my doubts as to whether it would work. I bought it and threw it in the bay and it has sat there until this week.

It is model number 921.153101. It has a 3 gallon tank, is direct drive with a cast iron cylinder, and is rated at 125 PSI maximum, delivering 3.7 SCFM @ 40 PSI and 2.4 SCFM @ 90 PSI. Cut in pressure is set at 95 and cut out is 125. As i said, it is oil lubricated. The electic motor is rated 1.5 HP (max developed) and 1 HP running. It requires 120 v and 15 amp minimum. The owners manual states a 50% duty cycle per hour.

I opened the box on Monday and filled it with oil. After putting the disconnects and fittings on the hose i hooked it to my 4104 which has been parked since the end of Feb. My bus was flat out of air! I set the compressor's air flow gauge at 80 and turned it on.

The compressor shut off after 12 minutes! My bus was sitting high up on the air bags and the dash gauge read a bit over 75 pounds - ready to fire up and drive off! I was quite happy with the results. I checked the tank pressure last night, and it has only lost about 8 pounds of air while sitting in my garage. This is better than my big shop compressor does!

This is not spam,,, i have no connection to Sears. I am only passing on some info i hope will be helpful to someone else.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2007, 08:49:46 AM »

Thank you for the review, John! I'd been waiting to get one until I "studied up" on the subject but with such a glowing review I might just trot out and get one. I have a wimpy cheapo already and it's definitely time to upgrade. Thanks again.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2007, 09:24:48 AM »

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  I have a 24v 0-40 psi 3 SCFM coming when I get it and install it I'lll let you know how it works.

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2007, 11:55:55 AM »

John, how noisy is this compressor? 

I purchased an oil less one, primarily to air up in a campground to keep from driving folks crazy with the engine noise.  Turns out the oil less is noisier than the engine Angry

Thanks for giving us the model number.  I have been looking for an oil type unit and did not see one at Sears or any of the big box stores.

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2007, 07:25:55 PM »

And if you use a 1/2 hp tankless, that's just about perfect for use on the inverter. On our coach, we get 100 psi in a bit over 10 minutes.

We got our IR off of eBay for around $65 bid, no switch. We'll be putting one of those on.

For what it's worth.

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2007, 09:54:33 PM »

Hello.

I have tried both kinds of small compressors.

Oil-less get awfully hot trying to air up the bus, and are prone to being noisey.

Oil lubed is the way I am staying.

Much the same price for either kind when on sale.

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2007, 10:26:04 PM »

That Sears oil bath is what I have for 5 years. Love it.
It still noisy but by adding a muffler or silencer to intake will greatly reduce dba level.
A spin on brand new or unused oil car type filter should work…plumb to air intake. Some are ½” female pipe?
Haven’t use oil-filter arrangement yet…..if anyone willing to report your results is appreciated.
Whatever you do….let the outer opening expose directly to outside air.

PS…oiless version has 2 areas that produce pulse noise…..crankcase & inlet. That why they’re noisier that oil bath-type
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2007, 06:44:06 AM »

To be honest, i have only used the compressor twice, so it is difficult for me to describe the noise level. I did not consider it to be too loud. It has large rubber cushions that it sits on so that should help some when i mount it in the bus. I will say that i don't see how a different compressor could operate any quieter without some type of drastic measures.

I was talking about this yesterday with another guy, and he said he thought that Sears either has them on sale again, or they are still on sale for 99.99.
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2007, 07:43:47 AM »

I've got a Master Fasteners, oil type, 2HP with 2 small tanks (4 gal) it is rated at 4.5 cfm and draws 14 amps. I have had this about 5 years so do not remember the price, but I am cheap so I know it was not expensive!
 It is mounted in the engine compartment of my MCI5C so that it is easy to remove, couple of wing nuts and quick air disconnects. So that I may use it elsewhere if need be. I could have removed the tanks and hardwired it in but elected not to.
 It takes about 15 min to air up the bus from zero. I agree with your description of the noise level, not quiet but not excessive. I have an manual air leveling system and use the compresor to level the bus. It is also nice to have the bus aired up when I start it. This compressor will air up the bus tires but it is barely adequate for the job. I would rather use a shop compressor for tires. I can use this compressor with a 3/4 inch impact to remove lugnuts!!! But it takes a long time!
 I feel this was a good investment and have got a lot of use out of it over the years. If it were to quit working. I would replace it with a comparable compressor.  HTH
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2007, 05:45:10 AM »

All great info. I keep an oil less in the bus under the drivers position. I have a 110V recp and the original Schrader to air the bus is located here as well. This oil less works well, but I have a larger one ( ancient) in the garage, connected to a 40 gal resv. tank.
The biggest thing I have found is to have the largest, shortest hose for the job to keep the compressor working at a minimum. A 3/8" 50 foot hose is convient (sp?), but puts a load on any compressor.
My $ 0.02

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P.S. JJRbus, Which side did you locate the comp. and tanks? I have a Webasto 2010 (?) on the curb side, and I find I need the drivers side clear to access the trans dip stick/ fill.
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2007, 07:03:05 AM »

Curb side, next to the wheel wheel.  I could be wrong on this, but I think we should not air up from the front of the MCI. Due to air not going through dryer. Maybe some of the more knowledgable people will chime in.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2007, 02:00:00 PM »

Good Point, but I am not sure as to whether that line goes thru the dryer or not. I will look up in the manual. I have never aired up in 2 1/2 years of ownership thru that point, However I will if I leave the coach in Drive, and lose the air. The Stone Bennett shifter would not be able to move the shifter to neutral to enable a start..... I need to locate that shifter lever and its position for later reference.
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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2007, 05:35:03 PM »

 Yes it is the Saudi model. Rumored to be Osama's personal ride!
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2007, 06:22:51 PM »

The Stone Bennett shifter would not be able to move the shifter to neutral to enable a start..

When we re-wired our coach, I added a neutral start switch override switch on the dash. IF NECCESSARY, this allows the engine to start in gear. Jack
PS: This switch has a red safety cover on it like the emergency stop switch.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 02:15:11 AM »

Jack, Very simple solution to a problem, However how does the engine/trans take to be started in Drive?? I understand this should not be an every day thing. But gatta ask? I am on the fence as to starting in Drive, but I like your thinking...
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2007, 04:42:29 AM »

We have not HAD to use this switch, but have tested it. Engine starts the same, (we do not touch the throttle, just master on, overide switch on and start). This is NOT used unless neccessary. My opinion: a few starts this way should not harm anything.  Jack
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 05:20:41 PM »

It is model number 921.153101. It has a 3 gallon tank, is direct drive with a cast iron cylinder, and is rated at 125 PSI maximum, delivering 3.7 SCFM @ 40 PSI and 2.4 SCFM @ 90 PSI. Cut in pressure is set at 95 and cut out is 125. As i said, it is oil lubricated.

John, I just got the same compressor and think it's great! I'm ticked at how well it works for the size it is. I added a water trap / filter just for giggles.

Many thanks for the recommendation!

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 07:14:59 PM »

I was at Big Lots in Union City a while back and saw a compressor that was wall mounted. Did not look to see any specifics like oil less, cfm's or tank size but thought that would be nice for a bus, not taking up valuable floor space. They also have them at Lowes.
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2007, 07:32:21 PM »

I keep an oil less in the bus under the drivers position.

Gary, I'm going to suggest you move that compressor into a bay.

I had a small 12v oilless compressor that I used for my bay locks mounted in that compartment (power steering compartment under the driver).
I had not used it for several months because I had the bay locks latched in the open position. When I tried it, I found that it had completely
rusted up on the insides. Piston, bearings, everything. It was totally ruined. With no oil in it, there was not way to keep the moisture in that
compartment from getting into it and doing damage to the internal components.  I replaced it with two of the same make, and mounted them
in the first bay. Been using them for several years, now, and no problems with rust.

Food for thought.

I have a small Harbor Freight compressor that I'll be mounting in my rear bay for leveling and airing up the bus. It has a small 2 gallon tank, and oiled compressor. It's not too loud. I have another HF pancake compressor that is extremely loud, but the one I'm going to use in the bus is
not bad. It will air up the bus in about 10-12 minutes.

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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 06:43:55 AM »

Hey Chuck! Glad it is working out for you. After using mine all summer, i can say that i am very happy with this little thing! As a matter of fact, i have not turned on my 20 gallon/5 hp shop compressor since i bought the little one. so i guess i may as well sell the large one, it is just taking up space now. Any chance to see a pic of the water filter you added?
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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2007, 07:48:36 AM »

I'd like to see a pic of the water eliminator as well.  Fear of getting water into the bus air system is what has held me back from putting a cheapo compressor onboard.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2007, 08:36:30 AM »

Well shore! I can take pitchers a lot easier than crawling under the bus this morning to work on leveling valves!



I just did a quick install to get it up and running in a hurry, but I'll be moving the filter before the quick disconnect and also put a 90 in there so that it's not hanging off so precariously.

I'm embarassed to say that the filter came from Home Depot - I needed something for a *really* cheapo oilless compressor a few years ago and thought I'd stick it on this one before hooking it up to the bus. It is *definitely* needed, as the air coming out still seems kinda 'wet'...and the clear bowl gets at least 1/4 inch of water in it after a short while. There's a valve on the bottom to blow it out as well as a filter inside.

I bought the other regulator/filter in the box behind it from HFT some time ago thinking I'd need it, but I may just take it back because the regulator in the Craftsman works so well.

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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2007, 09:21:28 AM »

That looks good Chuck. How are you plumbed into your bus? Is the compressor hooked up full time, or do you plug it in when needed. I have not installed mine in the bus yet. I will pick one of those up next time i get to HD.
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2007, 09:27:22 AM »

The water trap will work better if moved a few feet away from the compressor letting the air cool down a bit. If your using it as a portable I know it is inconvenient but if your going to mount it in the bus you should get one mounted a few feet away.
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2007, 09:43:02 AM »

You know Charley, you're right.

The last few days I have *finally* started learning about the bus air system and learned that's why the dryer & wet tank are as far as they can be from the bus compressor. I just had an a-ha - I'm gonna use that other one and mount it on that fenderwell in the rear compartment just before the input into the bus system. So then it will be 15' away from the aux compressor.

Thanks for the reminder about that.

So it should be clear that I haven't plumbed it in yet, and we'll see if on the completion of my leak-detection adventure if I'll even need to! Heck I may never even need it again! LOL

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2007, 01:52:58 PM »

Our local volunteer fire department does this all the time.  Cheaper and better to keep the air presssure up on old, but still serviceable fire department apparatus.  No $budget$. The neat thing about keeping your coach aired up all the time is that you can make a quick (if not quiet) get-a-way early in the morning WITHOUT paying your space bill.  He he he, I love a good plan. JUST KIDDING!!!  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2007, 05:38:39 AM »

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Thanks for thinking of me, I did some time ago rearrange my rear storage/water heater/fresh-gryblk tanks bay. I only keep warning cones & washer fluid in the front area under the driver seat.
I am also this weekend clearing out all the stuff I DO NOT need out of the bus. I am tired of carrying things I do not use, and having to rummage thru it to get to something I have forgotten where I put it.

Good catch from April,

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2007, 09:18:48 PM »

Prior to my trip last Feb i was shopping for a small compressor to carry on the bus. I did not want an oil less one, as i feel that is a cheaper way to make them, but not a better way. Sears had a small compressor on sale for 99.99. They offered a 1 year extension to the standard 1 year warranty for 15.00. So for 2 years, if it ever fails it will be replaced at any Sears location. It comes with a 25' coiled hose, quick connects, various fittings, blow gun, inflator etc. I have seen similar accessory packs at WalMart for 20.00. So at 115.00 plus tax the price was great, but i had my doubts as to whether it would work. I bought it and threw it in the bay and it has sat there until this week.

It is model number 921.153101. It has a 3 gallon tank, is direct drive with a cast iron cylinder, and is rated at 125 PSI maximum, delivering 3.7 SCFM @ 40 PSI and 2.4 SCFM @ 90 PSI. Cut in pressure is set at 95 and cut out is 125. As i said, it is oil lubricated. The electic motor is rated 1.5 HP (max developed) and 1 HP running. It requires 120 v and 15 amp minimum. The owners manual states a 50% duty cycle per hour.

I opened the box on Monday and filled it with oil. After putting the disconnects and fittings on the hose i hooked it to my 4104 which has been parked since the end of Feb. My bus was flat out of air! I set the compressor's air flow gauge at 80 and turned it on.

The compressor shut off after 12 minutes! My bus was sitting high up on the air bags and the dash gauge read a bit over 75 pounds - ready to fire up and drive off! I was quite happy with the results. I checked the tank pressure last night, and it has only lost about 8 pounds of air while sitting in my garage. This is better than my big shop compressor does!

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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2007, 09:25:22 PM »

Prior to my trip last Feb i was shopping for a small compressor to carry on the bus. I did not want an oil less one, as i feel that is a cheaper way to make them, but not a better way. Sears had a small compressor on sale for 99.99. They offered a 1 year extension to the standard 1 year warranty for 15.00. So for 2 years, if it ever fails it will be replaced at any Sears location. It comes with a 25' coiled hose, quick connects, various fittings, blow gun, inflator etc. I have seen similar accessory packs at WalMart for 20.00. So at 115.00 plus tax the price was great, but i had my doubts as to whether it would work. I bought it and threw it in the bay and it has sat there until this week.

It is model number 921.153101. It has a 3 gallon tank, is direct drive with a cast iron cylinder, and is rated at 125 PSI maximum, delivering 3.7 SCFM @ 40 PSI and 2.4 SCFM @ 90 PSI. Cut in pressure is set at 95 and cut out is 125. As i said, it is oil lubricated. The electic motor is rated 1.5 HP (max developed) and 1 HP running. It requires 120 v and 15 amp minimum. The owners manual states a 50% duty cycle per hour.

I opened the box on Monday and filled it with oil. After putting the disconnects and fittings on the hose i hooked it to my 4104 which has been parked since the end of Feb. My bus was flat out of air! I set the compressor's air flow gauge at 80 and turned it on.

The compressor shut off after 12 minutes! My bus was sitting high up on the air bags and the dash gauge read a bit over 75 pounds - ready to fire up and drive off! I was quite happy with the results. I checked the tank pressure last night, and it has only lost about 8 pounds of air while sitting in my garage. This is better than my big shop compressor does!

This is not spam,,, i have no connection to Sears. I am only passing on some info i hope will be helpful to someone else.
Hey John I have 2 of the same compressors you talked about..1 has 3 gal tank & the other has 2 gal tank..Other than that they are identical...I put the 3 gal in the bay onboard. I have aired my bus up many times with it..great little compressors....on hot humid days make alot of water so I crack the drain on the bottom of the tank while it is running to keep the water out of the bus lines........
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The last few days I have *finally* started learning about the bus air system and learned that's why the dryer & wet tank are as far as they can be from the bus compressor. I just had an a-ha - I'm gonna use that other one and mount it on that fenderwell in the rear compartment just before the input into the bus system. So then it will be 15' away from the aux compressor.



Chuck -

Just a thought/question:  When you mount the water separator, shouldn't it be lower than the output of the compressor?  That way, any moisture that condenses in the line will naturally flow into the separator.  As long as gravity works, that is - altho that is probably the next thing the global warming folk will be attacking.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2007, 06:57:56 AM »

Russ, that's a really excellent point, and is very timely. I've been running the compressor a *lot* in the last few days and boy o boy it puts out the water.

And even before I connect it today I'm gonna do the remote mounting, low, as you suggested. Because as it is now I *know* there's a lot of water getting in there.

Thanks for the great improvement!
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2007, 07:04:16 AM »

Grumpy,
Thanks for thinking of me, I did some time ago rearrange my rear storage/water heater/fresh-gryblk tanks bay. I only keep warning cones & washer fluid in the front area under the driver seat.
I am also this weekend clearing out all the stuff I DO NOT need out of the bus. I am tired of carrying things I do not use, and having to rummage thru it to get to something I have forgotten where I put it.

Good catch from April,

Gary


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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2007, 09:56:17 AM »

Manasst,

I stand corrected, I have never met the gentleman and did not mean to project an attitude for the Mr. Gumpy. Or you for that matter....

I was picking that up in a hotel lobby with the sun in my eyes, No excuse.

I still am amazed at his memory as weeks had past.

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