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« on: June 17, 2007, 09:48:16 PM »

Hey everyone, prepared to make my maiden voyage tomorrow morning! Does anyone know of good roadside oil changes between Los Angeles and Denver for my 8v92? Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2007, 09:51:11 PM »

literally every truck stop along the way will have the capability. Be sure to use the correct oil for your application (Dello 400?)

good luck

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2007, 09:58:38 PM »

In Las Vegas at Williams Detroit Diesel.  Just make sure they have straight 40 weight Delo 100.  Also Speedco might have the oil also.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 10:19:31 PM »

As per TomC qouted.
Just make sure on SAE label show CF-2 & non detergent 40 SAE.

FWIW

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 11:18:28 PM »

When I drove my new (to me) bus back from Texas a couple of months ago I asked for 40 weight ND oil at the truck stops where I refueled.  At one place the guy said "I can never remember which is the weight number; the 15 or the 40"!

The manager at another truck stop in Montana gave me directions to the Detroit Diesel dealer, which turned out to actually be the Freightliner dealer.  They were nice enough to give me directions to the Detroit dealer after they found out they didn't have any 40 weight either.

Now I always carry 5 gallons of 40 weight ND with me whenever I travel.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2007, 02:20:00 AM »

I believe that the detroit dealers carry detroit 40 wt oil . Jerry
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 02:47:50 AM »

As per TomC qouted.
Just make sure on SAE label show CF-2 & non detergent 40 SAE.

FWIW

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Jerry and Dave B,

The SAE 40wt oil you want is NOT Non-Detergent.

It is rated CF-2 and has it's own set of detergents.

Please, just to humor me and maybe make your engine happy, read Detroit Diesels Tech guide 7SE270 available here:

            http://www.detroitdiesel.com/support/on-highway/manuals/Lubricants_Fuels_Coolants/index.asp

Make certain that it meets API classification CF-2. Here is a very good explanation of oil classifications:

           http://www.agnr.umd.edu/users/Bioreng/fact181b.htm

Here is a List from API listing Oil that meets CF-2. But use it wisely, some of the CF-2 oil is multiviscosity and will not meet Detroit Diesel  requirements, except under certain cold weather conditions:

           http://eolcs.api.org/FindBrandByServiceCategory.asp?ServiceCategory=CF-2

Finally, if your oil jug doesn't have the API Certification Mark on it, it ISN"T API recommended. Below is the API logo to look for:



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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2007, 03:12:08 AM »

Dallas,

Does it say "710" on it?  Lol

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 03:38:33 AM »

Nick,

Not "710"

But, if the wrong oil is used continuosly you'll think, "7734 0"   Grin
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2007, 05:10:04 AM »

We carry about 10-12 gallons of Shell Rotella T 40W with us.  If we ever get down to just a few gallons left (hasn't happened yet), we will have to find a supplier to buy another case (6 gallons).   Jack
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 05:42:33 AM »

Link to a good article on why 2-strokes need special oil:

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=3580.msg32497#msg32497
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2007, 06:29:29 AM »

That was a great article.  Has anyone thought of making a separate board just for these technical article posts?  It would be a very handy section to have on hand. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2007, 06:32:54 AM »

Additional useful info on the topic:

Info about which oil and why Sulfated Ash rate is important.



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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 07:50:48 AM »

Dakell -

If your oil is fresh when you leave LA, you shouldn't need to change it between there and Denver.

Don't expect to find the correct straight 40 wt oil at truck stops.  They service trucks, not buses with two-stroke Detroits in them, and the vast majority of 18-wheelers nowadays have four strokes that take multi-viscosity oils.  Because the demand for straight 40 wt is so small at these locations, they don't carry it in bulk anymore.

Take two, six-gallons/case cases with you, you'll have enough for an oil change, if needed, on the road.

Finally, get a copy of the "Bus Garage Index" and keep it in your coach.  Lists bus garages all over the country, including contact personnel.  Available from www.busride.com, one of the industry trade magazines.  Probably the best $40 you'll ever spend on your coach.

Have a good trip!

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2007, 08:40:22 AM »

OOPS...

I just traveled 2500+ miles w/ my new bus (8v-71) and used a couple of gallons of Dello 400 15-40.

what should I do? Change all the oil right away? What is the problem?

Thanks


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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2007, 09:08:17 AM »

Suggestions for on road oil changes.  I took a trip a couple years ago to the Rickreall, Or get together.  I fortunately had the fore site to carry two cases (6 gal ea) of Delo 100 straight 40 weight with me.  I had the oil filter mount break off and dispense 5 gal of oil quickly onto the road before I could shut it down.  Other than the 5 hour delay for the mechanic to get there and to change the filter, it wasn't a bad break down. 

Before leaving on any extended trip, you should have the oil changed and serviced.  If you're going out for over 10,000 miles, have enough oil with you to provide for an oil change and for oil burn (should be about 1 gal per 2,000 miles, if you're engine is in good condition).

I know United Oil in Los Angeles carries the Delo 100 40 weight along with the Detroit dealers.  And- NEVER use non detergent oil.  You're engine was set up for Delo 100 40 weight oil (original oil from 1938), and will get a really mucked up engine if you use non detergent.  I'm not even sure if you can get non detergent oil anymore.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2007, 09:52:45 AM »

Delo 100 is getting hard to find i get my oil from a DD dealer most of the time its made by Exonn Mobil you can get delo 400 and shell t at most Napa stores no engine oil is to have more than 1% ash now
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2007, 10:51:56 AM »

Delo 100 is getting hard to find i get my oil from a DD dealer most of the time its made by Exonn Mobil you can get delo 400 and shell t at most Napa stores no engine oil is to have more than 1% ash now
delo 400 This is not the correct oil for the DD.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2007, 11:36:40 AM »

... no engine oil is to have more than 1% ash now

Doesn't appear to be happening.

Chevron Delo 400 data sheet from Chevron website

Chevron Delo 100 data sheet from Chevron website

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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2007, 11:39:24 AM »

Mark, if you go to the above referenced links it will answer all your questions.  And yes, you should change the oil to the recommended stuff.  Your engine will thank you and run many many miles for you.

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I just traveled 2500+ miles w/ my new bus (8v-71) and used a couple of gallons of Dello 400 15-40.

what should I do? Change all the oil right away? What is the problem?

Thanks


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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2007, 06:31:26 PM »

HighTech (and others) -

Read the entire Delo 400 data sheet carefully.  It specifically states it is not recommended for Detroit two-stroke engines.  Used to be, but no longer.


Mark -

The "Type of oil for my two-stroke" discussion comes up on this and other busnut bulletin boards about every three - four months.  Search the archives here and over on BNO for more detailed discussion on the subject - it's been beaten to death numerous times.

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2007, 07:13:11 PM »

HighTech (and others) -

Read the entire Delo 400 data sheet carefully.  It specifically states it is not recommended for Detroit two-stroke engines.  Used to be, but no longer.


Mark -

The "Type of oil for my two-stroke" discussion comes up on this and other busnut bulletin boards about every three - four months.  Search the archives here and over on BNO for more detailed discussion on the subject - it's been beaten to death numerous times.

FWIW & HTH. . .

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Russ, I think you misunderstood my position on it.  I wasn't advocating the use of Delo 400.  I was pointing out that the ash content is too high.  I was also the one that posted the link to the article by Tejas on the damage done by running multi-grade oils.

I think the reason the topic comes up so often is that the board is growing fast as many people new to bus conversions are joining.  In every forum I've been a part of, it is common to have "routine questions" that are asked by new members who don't realize that it has already been "beaten to death".  Some boards create a FAQ section that addresses those questions and in some cases that helps a little.  Some boards severely flame newbies for not using the search function before asking questions (I like supportive friendly boards so I don't support that approach at all).   But no matter what is done, new members don't always search first.  Sometimes they do, but due to their inexperience they don't always use the right keywords to get a productive search result.  So I think repetitive questions will likely be around on this forum and all others a lot longer than we will.
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2007, 08:10:14 PM »

High Tech -

You're right - I didn't pick up on your comment correctly. . .  See what happens when I don't have my Pepsi fix w/ dinner?   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Hmmm. . . a FAQs section. . . we already have the Flea Market and BBS Tips, perhaps TPTB can create one?

And maybe while they're at it, they could make one for Member's Bus Pics, rather than a sticky in Discussion. . .

What say you, Phil, Nick, Jack or Richard??

FWIW & HTH. . .

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 09:05:02 AM »

I think a FAQ section would be great.  When I first came across this site  I did a bunch of research digging through the archives.  I found some information right away but some of it is hard to access if you do not hit on the right keywords.  Which you may not know if you are new to bussing and lets face it, at some point we were all new to this.  I, for one have been looking into a conversion for the past 2 years and after hours of searching for info a FAQ section could have saved a ton of time.
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 11:16:25 AM »

Or even better, how about getting the free software that Wikipedia uses, and installing that here.  It references all the entries, all can edit too.  It makes an expert system based on every-one's input.  the best part is that we wouldn't have to keep re-answering the same questions over an over, but would be building a true knowledge base.
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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2007, 11:33:39 AM »

I think Jim's Wiki idea is awesome. If we can't host it here, I have a lot of webspace available.

BTW, I always carry two cases of Rotella T st. 40w (from Napa, special order) and a huge pan (from Ace Hardware... you can also use a masonry tub from HD/ Lowes) and a Napa #1970 spin-on. I can change my oil in about 30min. and put it back into their one-gallon containers for drop-off at a recycle place. Oil-sorb and a big scrap piece of cardboard keeps the little dribbles under control. Best time to pull the plug on your pan is after a long run, anyways.

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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2007, 11:41:39 AM »

I tried to do this on the Help board, but it just got to be too big a job for one person to try and copy everything to the other board and then to try and keep it organized and alphabetical. It would definitely require some kind of a soft ware package to accomplish this. Maybe Phil or Nick or Dallas will have some ideas. I really hate to see so much of this great information get lost.
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