Bus Conversions dot Com Bulletin Board
September 20, 2014, 06:56:04 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: If you had an E-Mag Subscription: It can be read on any computer, iPad, smart phone, or compatible device.
   Home   Help Forum Rules Search Calendar Login Register BCM Home Page Contact BCM  
Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: tire size / inquiring mind wants to know...  (Read 3266 times)
coolbus
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 62




Ignore
« on: June 17, 2007, 10:15:22 PM »

My bus (Prevost Champion) has 11R 22.5 tires up front,  as well as on the rear duals. The tags, however, are 10R 22.5  I had a blow out last week, and found that the spare tire (11R 22.5) would NOT fit the tag position. Serious clearance / rubbing problem.  Angry

Is it possible that the previous owner changed out all the 10R size for 11R, but left the tags alone? Did my bus come with 10R size tires all the  way around?  Huh

It doesn't make cense to have two sizes on tires on one bus. I called Prevost Car in Quebec, they thought all the tires should be the same size; couldn't say what that should be.  Undecided

Any other Champion owners have any thoughts? (The bus is 35' long, if it matters)  Smiley

thanks for your input!

Mark

Logged
Busted Knuckle
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6447


6 Setras, 2 MCIs, and 1 Dina. Just buses ;D


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2007, 11:02:13 PM »

First of all Mark, yes all the tires should be the same size! That said I'd first check the Manufactures VIN plate. It should give you the weight capacities per axle & gross, it should also list the tire sizes & pressures per axle, as well as the VIN & Date of MFG. FWIW BK  Grin
Logged

Busted Knuckle aka Bryce Gaston
KY Lakeside Travel's Busted Knuckle Garage
Huntingdon, TN 12 minutes N of I-40 @ exit 108
www.kylakesidetravel.net

Grin Keep SMILING it makes people wonder what yer up to! Grin (at least thats what momma always told me! Grin)
Jerry32
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 726





Ignore
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2007, 02:22:43 AM »

Yes the vin plate has all the specifics on it and will tell you what tires were really supposed to be on your bus. souds like someone changed from the original.  Jerry
Logged

1988 MCI 102A3 8V92TA 740
RJ
Former Giant Greenbrier Owner
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2815





Ignore
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2007, 07:57:05 AM »

Mark -

Never heard of a 35-foot, three-axle Prevost Champion, and that's after 25+ years in the bus industry.

Prevost did make some 35-foot coaches, but they were all two-axle models.

The only coach I ever heard of having different sized tires on it OEM was the MCI MC-6 - tags were smaller than front/drive axle.

If the 11R-22.5s don't fit the tag, I'd suspect something to do with the wheel offset or width.  Try a different wheel and see what happens.

FWIW & HTH. . .

 Wink
Logged

RJ Long
PD4106-2784 No More
Fresno CA
coolbus
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 62




Ignore
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2007, 08:33:49 AM »

The clearance problem is with the height of the11R tires. It literally rubs on a frame member near the top of the tire. Also, there is no wheel hump (wheel well) for the tags. but there is for the drive axel. Seems like if they were meant for the same size tires, they would have made wheel wells for the tags as well.  Huh

The bus is definately a 3 axel, 35 footer!  Smiley

maybe I can get rid of the tag axel @$#'y altogether?

thanks

Mark
Logged
Hartley
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1217





Ignore
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2007, 09:00:57 AM »

Sounds like that was a custom setup and maybe was a special order for a special application
like a weight limited roadway or cargo hauler.

The mystery is the 35 foot part. It is an odd setup, Prevost usually didn't build a 35 with 3 axles
from what I can tell. But stranger things have been built. It is odd that there is no clearance for the tag axle and tire combo.. That is truly a mystery.

Or, It was a shortend bus?

Dunno on that one....

How about 12R22.5's on the steer and drives and 11R22.5 on the tags? sounds more like it?
Logged

Never take a knife to a gunfight!
TomC
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 6784





Ignore
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2007, 09:17:56 AM »

Personally-I would do what you said to do-mainly get rid of the tag axle.  I know that from a stripped out bus to a finished bus with all my junk it including my wife and I with full tanks, only added 3,000lbs to the bus.  I weigh in at 31,000lb and have a 36,000lb gvw, and that's a 40ft'r with 2 axles.  Course my transit does have larger brakes than highway buses-and that's the only negative I could think of-loosing some braking power and maybe a bit of handling stability.  But the tag axle weighs close to a ton, and then that freed up area where the tag was could be enclosed for additional storage!  I know of no other 35ft'r that has 3 axles, except for yours.

As to your tire problem, 10R-22.5 is a little used size of tire.  So if you get a blow out on the road, you'll be hunting alot for that tire.  I would suggest you go with the low profile 295/70R-22.5 that is pretty much the standard of the trucking industry now.  It'll be just about the same diameter at the 10R, and easily replacable if needed.  Good Luck, TomC
Logged

Tom & Donna Christman. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.
tekebird
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2263





Ignore
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2007, 09:28:06 AM »

Bus was probably built for the norther tier of Canada where the roads are not that good and you have some Permafrost issues.

the extra axle would distribute the weight better.

Flx made some clippers with a tag axle for this situation.

RJ, The 40 foot Buffs with the bogie had a smaller tire as well
Logged
Don4107
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 407





Ignore
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2007, 09:54:42 AM »

Sounds like an interesting coach.  Do you know what it weighs? 
Logged

Don 4107 Eastern Washington
1975 MCI 5B
1966 GM PD 4107 for sale
1968 GMC Carpenter
coolbus
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 62




Ignore
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2007, 10:39:49 AM »

good question, as to the weight. I just got it home, havent had the chance to weigh it yet, but will do so soon. It is already converted, so the only variable will be the holding tanks, luggage, etc.

thanks

Mark
Logged
Dreamscape
Guest

« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 12:07:58 PM »

How about a picture?
Logged
Stan
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 973




Ignore
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2007, 12:15:40 PM »

Just out of curiosity, what is the wheelbase of your 35' Prevost, measured from center of front wheel to center of drive wheel?  Are the tag wheels beside the engine or in front of the engine? As others have said, this is a very unusual bus so there are lots of questions. Since you say that Prevost could not answer your question, this may be a modification done after the bus left the factory.
Logged
coolbus
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 62




Ignore
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2007, 02:14:03 PM »

I just measured...

19 feet, 10 1/2 inches center to center.

I will try to post the only picture I have...

thanks

Mark
Logged
Stan
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 973




Ignore
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 02:30:17 PM »

coolbus: Yes indeed, you have one cool bus. That 238" wheelbase is pretty much the norm for a 35' T drive with the drive axle as far to the rear as possible. That means the tag wheels have to sit beside the engine which is what appears in your picture. At least you have the option of putting in a 12V71 without having too much overhanging weight!!
Logged
Don4107
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 407





Ignore
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2007, 03:22:22 PM »

Very nice!  If you stay with the 10 hundred tires be sure to check the date codes on the replacements.  Since they are not very common they could be old stock and not something you want to use.

Good Luck.
Logged

Don 4107 Eastern Washington
1975 MCI 5B
1966 GM PD 4107 for sale
1968 GMC Carpenter
Pages: [1] 2  All   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.18 | SMF © 2013, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!