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Author Topic: Interstate Repair Costs, are they excessive to you??  (Read 3566 times)
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« on: September 10, 2007, 11:48:04 PM »

Cat,
My apologies for hi-jacking your thread, (Whine, whine it's almost over) thread about your rally.  I hi-jacked it with all my jibber-jabber about my interstate break down.  Well here is my own post now and you can pay me back if you wish.  I have been laying awake here about an hour at the KOA campground and decided to post this experience of what it cost and perhaps those of you in the repair business or those of you like me can enlighten me to make me feel like I did not just have annal sex with the repair shop that fixed my RV.  I know we have to expect this not to be cheap when on the road but a do it yourselfer like myself has a hard time justifying cost like this and perhaps I am just a cheap ----ard!!  Anyhow here is the break down of the bill to fix two things, (Broken Rotor Button on my Distributor & replace my leaking water pump) on I-40, within 20 miles of Knoxville, TN!!!
Distributor cap      $38.41
Rotor Button            8.45
Water Pump           72.80  Note this is refurbished pump.  they wanted to sell me a new
                                     one for $150.00
Coolant 2.5gals       37.50
By pass hose           3.00
(4) longer bolts        4.68
Trans. fluid 2 qts.     9.00
SHOP SUPPLIES       10.77  What is this?? Nothing was used except their water for my
                                      fresh water tank on board.
Towing of trailer not
covered by ins.       50.00
Diagnoss for a not
run conditon vehicle 90.00
labor to replace
water pump on gas
v-8, 7.5 eng / w air 225.00
hazardous mtl.          10.77
                           ________
            sub total   $560.11
                  tax        51.81
                          _________
            TOTAL      $611.92

This repair shop was choosen by Camping World over the road insurance, I did not have any other choices I knew of to choose from that perhaps another busnut dealt with but I am giving you information now so you will prepare yourself like I didn't AGAIN and you can carry information on the road with a list of repair shops state to state you travel in in case this happens to you and then you do have a choice to to go to.  I will invest and get this list from here on out but my newest in-experience to on the road repair traveling has just enlightened me personally.  I hope I get you motivated to get information for choosing where you can be towed to also for your over the road emergency road repairs if you have to be towed that is.

Now I may be way off base here and please enlighten me if you think I am.  I am not so proud to admit I may be wrong but this seemed a little higher than it should of been and if you agree be prepared to go to the same shop per Camping World choice of repair shop if you have no other to choose from if you break down withing 30 miles of Knoxville, TN.

You also have to remember, you lose all barganing power for repair cost when you sign the permission slip for them to do things to get you going and if you do protest, you do not get the keys to your vehicle (Per TN Law) until the bill is satisfied!!

Again, sorry Cat for hi-jacking your rally post on this bb'd in the first place with my interstate break down posting.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2007, 02:39:42 AM »

Did you transcribe all the numbers correctly? The sub-total doesn't quite match with the numbers given.

Shop supplies and hazardous materials are both $10.77 -- perhaps you got double-charged for that, especially if more than one person was involved in creating the bill (second guy doesn't see hazard fee, so adds it).

I've no clue how much work replacing the water pump on your rig is, so hard to comment on the labor charge. The parts don't seem out of line. 30% markup on actual cost is pretty normal in the automotive industry. (I once worked as a parts-runner for an Indianapolis service station.)

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2007, 03:57:48 AM »

Nusa,
Every number on this post is copied directly as is from the service bill as I presented it to you.  Not noticing the exact figure at the time of payment that you did notice does seem very, very fishy to me.  That is why I asked what you all thought and hopefully warn you of this repair shop in TN or any you may have to go to. 

I had no choice but to pay as I said above, you just don't have any choices.  I am sure I am not the very fist person to get ripped if I did while on the road, anyhow I will be home in a couple of hours but if my aggrivation puts you all on guard and you carry a list of reputable repair shops that other bus nuts have frequented and documented good results with then I did good by having something bad happen to me and make it into something good for others in the future.

I did not know the amout of mark up on parts, I know they do it but when I balked at the $150 for new and I heard him quoted over the phone of $49 for refurbished from "Reilieys" I believe or close to that name.  I got charged $72.80 for it??  That is close to 50% without a calculator to me.

I am posting a quote of information from the "HELP" section of MAK from one of our family, (Russ) that backs up what I am recommending you to do also:


EVERY busnut should have a copy of The Bus Garage Index, published by Bus Ride Magazine, one of the industry trade journals.  New 2007 issue is now out, probably the best forty bucks you can spend on your bus.

Order directly from www.busride.com. Link to Index is in the LH column.

I don't have any affiliation with them, just a long-time awareness due to my industry background.


OH well, everyone have a great day, hope to see you at a rally soon as we plan to attend as many as we can also as long as we are welcomed.  I will work on the Eagle as much as I can stand to "Git R Done"

Gary
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2007, 04:29:44 AM »

Gary I really feel for you but to tell you the truth this is not that far out of line,most shops have a set shop supplies fee that include cleaners,roloc discs,razor blades ect,it kind of averages out as some jobs use alot and some use little. as far as the hazmat if you were to see the hazmat charges on things like rags,fender covers uniforms.cleaner disposal ect you would understand it a little better,as far as parts prices I never used more than a 25% markup but by the time I sold out in 99 most shops and dealers were at 50% on parts,most shops have a minimum on diag charges it seems that this shops was 90$ as it should have been a quick diag, the labor rate seems to be set at about 75.00 per hour which is not as high as some places,not that the water pump is a real hard job on your van but by a flat rate book it should pay about 3 hours,after 30 years working on cars I got tired of trying to make a living and make customers happy at the same time,so I chose retirement. but I am sorry to hear it happened to you and Linda but glad you are on the road again and looking forward to seeing you all soon    Mike
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2007, 04:31:48 AM »

Gary,

Its on the high end for sure, but not in the "Major ripoff" category.

I replaced my water pump on the same engine in my ole class "C"

and it was a major PIA, they didn't leave much room to work on those 460's.

That Ford water pump is so hard to get to and everything has to be moved out of the way.

And if you still had the smog gear on, good luck.

But yeah, everyone I have ever heard about has paid a premium for "Out of town" repairs.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2007, 05:35:43 AM »

Its really high, but for rip off I would think double that! Distributor cap? I have not seen one of those in years Roll Eyes
 Back in the good old days when replaceing a cap I would keep the old cap,points,rotor in the trunk also the old belts ect. Just in case. But how much spare stuff can you carry?
 I stopped at an RV place in FL to have a bit done including a new air conditioner belt. They had to call a parts place to have the belt delivered. Took 3 hours for the belt to come. They charged me for $80 hour for the 3 hours my RV sat in the bay and would not budge when I complained! If I have another RV problem, I will burn it in the street befor I take it to an RV dealer!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2007, 05:53:51 AM »

Gary,

Those prices are probably a little high but not really out of line that much.
The labor part anyway. That also depends on how close the guy follows "The Book".

Having been a service writer and mechanic in a dealership, I can tell you that if they follow "The Book" you are probably paying "Book Time" rather than real-time.

Sometimes however the book might say 3 hours for one person, but it really takes 5 hours with 2 people, But usually the customer gets only billed at the book rate. Those are risks that mechanics take unless they are flexible.

The markups and prices were off a bit considering actual versus retail, But they always are when a mechanic get involved. That darned overhead gets tucked in there, Things like worker comp, insurance, property taxes, electric, depreciation on tools...

Other than that, Uh... You mentioned Knoxville, were you headed East on I-40?
I am near Exit 280 @ Baxter, TN and if you had been hving trouble you could have stopped and we could have fixed it here. I am 110 miles West of Knoxville....

Oh Well......

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2007, 07:24:50 AM »

Gary at 48.5% mark up on the parts they were a little high, but I can assure you the labor rate was fair (for the area & an RV). The misc shop materials fee again was fair and as Mike pointed out includes items he mentioned along with RTV silicone, parts cleaner, gasket sealer, etc. The haz-mat fee is also inline. You did pay in the maximum of the normal range for everything except the labor (as I see $85-90/hr rates everywhere these days), which was really quite fair. I don't have my labor guide in front of me, but I'd say they cut some slack on a 7.5 with A/C in a MH on the labor. The towing fee for the trailer also was fair, but to be honest they could've let it slide too. As they were already charging the Road Service Club for a larger tow truck than was needed! (a medium class would've done the job just as well!
OK now that we've established that ya didn't get ripped, just no we love ya because yer a swell guy discounts either.

I got to ask did they pull a driveshaft, or axle? If not make sure you call the motor club right away and have them document that they did not unhook the driveline when they should have! Then if you have the slightest hint of transmission troubles in the near future, you need to contact the towing company and see how they wish to handle their liability for not taking proper precautions when towing it! Anytime they pull you any distance (more than a couple miles) with the drive wheels turning they should disconnect the drive line to prevent transmission damages! FWIW BK
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2007, 07:31:15 AM »

Gary,
     Always pay bills you think you might dispute with a credit card.  The credit card companies will at least hassle the crooks, though in cases like this you'll probably end up paying.  IMHO what you were charged, while a bit high,  is within the range to be expected today.  Believe me a similar breakdown in a bus is going to cost more, BTDT.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2007, 09:44:26 AM »

Gary, I've replaced the water pump on a 460 in a van before, & I'd pay that to avoid that pain again!  Shocked

The markup on parts seems fair to me, they have overhead to pay for that concerns getting the part. Don't forget that if the part is bad, they usually have to eat the labor to replace it since they provided the part.

My first trip out as owner of the Airstream involved waking up Sat am to 2 flat tires & me with no tools (Hey, those tires were only 6 years old, had never lost air, & spent most of their life inside an enclosed shed). $95 for the guy to come to me & remove the tires so I could take them to get fixed & $105 for a craftsman tool set to put them back on (it now lives in the camper), another $30 for valve stems. Note to self - don't let the hub caps rub holes in the valve stems!

I chalked it up to the costs of a higher education. - Now, I know that the suburban jack will lift an Airstream & I also know that if I'm not prepared, I'll have to pay someone who is.

Glad you got fixed up without having to use up any of your vacation days. Oh wait, you're retired Cool, so you don't get any vacation Cry

Lookin' forward to seeing y'all in about 4 weeks  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2007, 10:50:27 AM »

Thanks for the comments from you all, I guess then I am just a cheap bas!!.  We just got home a few minutes ago, engine / trailer & S&S are now separated nearly divorced!! Haha.

I am not as pissed now as last night, as I said it is hard to swallow when you do have a fair mechanic as I do here in Greenville who has not made me feel gouged in nealry 20 years and that is hard to get used to.  Also being a do it yourselfer does not help as I just knew I could of kicked @$# there and got "R" done and on the road in a lot less time but they got me fixed is what is important.  I just had to get reassurance from you more experienced to make me realize just what is involved in paying for labor at $90 per hr. good grief!!!

BK, I did ask the driver of the towing rig about towing my S&S with the automatic transmission and he stated because of the age of it, (1988) that it does not have overdrive and there is no problem but you are right, I am going to call the Camping World Road Service immediately after this and make a report as you have just suggested just in case.  My luck is not very good these days. 

I have not uncovered my Spare motor yet, I better still have my valve covers and Jakes on there you guys!!!

Dr. Dave, our S&S puked unexpectidly when she did with the broken rotor button so to come to your place I would of just probably replaced the water pump but I thought I could make it home by keeping refilling the radiator every 100 miles, wrong!!!!  The last time when my S&S puked it was leaking out at a pace similar to a guy with an enlarge prostate!!  Hehe, still have a little humor.   If we come that way again anytime Dr. Dave, we will email and call you and make a direct stop at your place.  Promise!!

Thanks again all you guys for corrected info on the repair charges, I need to rest up now a day and then start photo sorting and posting. Getting old now I am told, oh, I already said that on one post eh?? 

See you real real soon Kyle and all that will be attending Kyle's Fall Gathering.  Kyle, while on that subject, I want to say at this time I am offering a $20 Donation to you for the two of us attending so that if others attending can do the same you will have some more support for things like plastic forks etc, incidentials.  I know we will give more when we get there but this is money you can depend on getting from us and I hope others will also consider doing.  I hope we all chipped in enough at Dallas & Cats gathering also for all they did for us.  I have to again thank Good Ole Captian Ron for all he did for us.

OK, now to unpack and lay on my fat a$$ for a few hours.
Gary 
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  Gary,

    Your tranny is probably a C-6 maybe an AOD.   The only automatics that can be towed are the ones
 with the oil pump off the rear shaft. The rest require the engine to be running.....

   Yes please call and make sure they have all the facts


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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2007, 11:07:32 AM »

I guess then I am just a cheap bas!!. 

Gary,

Don't get me wrong, I can also be a cheap &@#**&.

Ha!  Thats probably why we are all building our own conversions....LOL   Grin

Now get some rest......You cheap %$#@*&.....LOL   Grin

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2007, 11:17:29 AM »

The towing company is responsible for any & all damages they cause, period. They are professionals & must have insurance to be in business.

The C6 can be flat towed a short distance at low speed without harm. The fact you made it home pulling a significant load tells me you have no worries - assuming the tranny fluid isn't burnt.

OK, now to unpack and lay on my fat a$$ for a few hours.
Gary 

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Enjoy spending that ss check for me since there won't be any left for me  Shocked
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2007, 11:27:55 AM »

My only advise would have been to go for the new pump.  My experience with rebuilt water pumps is not good.  For the $75 or 80 bucks more it is not worth doing the job again.  It depends on who did the rebuild and whether the new pump was Chinese or OEM.
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2007, 12:57:44 PM »

If I recall, that year drive train could be towed up to 25 miles atlow speed w/o pulling the axles, according to Ford - so you should be OK - HTH
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2007, 01:59:14 PM »

Gary, don't feel like you got the shaft. It appears to be a reasonable price for the service you received.
I definitely agree with BK.Labor rates are very high these days - everywhere. Your butt hurts a bit because you are quite capable of making this type of repair under normal circumstances. Be happy that you and the family were not injured on the side of the road, or had to wait a ridiculous amount of time for assistance.
Hope this might soothe the pain.
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2007, 02:09:35 PM »

Back when I was running a repair shop, we never charged for shop supplies. That was overhead and covered by the shop flat rate. I guess the shops have been taking lessons from the medical boys.
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Earlier this year, I had a service bill for my bus that had a $160 shop supplies charge!  I complained and they dropped it by half.  There is hardly a shop that doesn't tack this fee on these days.  I don't know why the $106 an hour this particular shop charges can't cover shop supplies.  The hourly wages, benefits, and so on for a mechanic probably aren't more than $50 an hour which leaves over $50 an hour for other costs.  Do diesel mechanics even make $30 an hour in a major metro area like Minneapolis?
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2007, 06:54:53 PM »

Well, Gary, sweetie. . .do you feel pretty hammered already?  Kiss  ha ha  I agree with the consensus, the repair wasn't way out of line. . .maybe higher than you would have paid at your favorite shop, but it probably took you a while to find them, didn't it?  That's why you should give their name out to everyone in the area, to help keep them in business! 

Let me tell you a little story:  One day Larry was replacing a motor for a resturant owner, and she asked him, "Did you pay THAT much for that motor???"  Without missing a lick, he responded, "No, I SURE didn't!  Do you charge your customers what you paid for those eggs?"  Needless to say, that was the last time she questioned him about his price on parts, ha ha. 

The truth is, we usually get a discount on parts we buy, but sometimes, not very much.  I take my lead from Larry's experience, and I don't hesitate to exclaim to customers. . ."Of course we mark up our parts and equipment!  We have to warranty it, and if it fails in the next year, I'll be out there for free to replace it, and even though I may get to return the part for credit, NO ONE is paying my guys to do the work but me!"  or "Sure, you can provide your own faucets, but if there are parts missing from the box, YOU'LL need to be available to run and get a replacement one while we're there working, and if the faucet is defective and leaks, you'll be paying our labor rate to remove it and install the replacement one."

 Obviously, as a business owner, we know a lot of information that the average homeowner doesn't, including the outrageous costs of running most small businesses these days.  We're a small company, but our permit/licenses fees were over $50,000 last year. . .yep, that's money paid to the state and various cities for "permission" to do work.  Add in liability insurance, auto insurance, workman's comp, and you've got a huge chunk of money before we even start talking about things like wages, fuel, and all those little things like screws, tape, etc.  Shoot, one specific copper fitting is over $5.00. . .just for a stupid copper 90! 

And, am I wrong but do you guys notice that nothing has gone up faster than car parts?  My goodness!  Every time we have to buy a starter or alternator, we are just aghast at the price we have to pay now.  Shocked Fuel pumps?  Tongue Outrageous!  Angry And they don't last NEAR as long as they used to!  It used to be that if you replaced a starter, you did it once the whole time you owned the vehicle.  These days, if you keep the truck very long, you'll have replaced it at least twice, and if you have to do the fuel pump, well, HECK, drop the gas tank!  Cry Who's idea is it anyway to put the fuel pump in the tank??  For goodness sake, if they're going to put it in the tank, make it last forever!  Angry  Ignition switches?  Door handles?  What in the world! Shocked  Since when should you have to replace a door handle?  crazy! Angry

 Whoops, sorry, off my rant now!  Cheesy   Yep, I know, starting to lose it!  Oh well, lucky for me, we're FINALLY ready to take TempBus out again and are rally bound this weekend!  Grin Yipppeee!  Christy Hicks
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2007, 07:07:27 PM »

I know how you feel Gary, but had you done it yourself, half way into the job you would have been willing to pay twice that much for someone else to do it.  

Yes they had you by the cahonis but they milked them gently and didn't clack them together.

It was done, right then, and your time is worth something to you and there would have been much pain and cussing either way.
Hmm, Let'see;
Lie awake cussin mad about bill ,   or ,  lie on back on side of road cussing ford engineers for not making quick disconnect waterpumps held on by velcro and easily accessable back in 80's.  
- plus once you got started you would've had to dissasemble and reassemble the entire RV and document the whole thing on your web site before moving off the road in your brand new RV Tongue Cheesy Wink

 So now you have  bought extra time and energy to work on the "Pit".  Use some of that anger and you might drive it to the non rally,  Yeah , fix your bus! That'll showem' Angry!!!  
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« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2007, 07:11:48 PM »

Normal business formulas say you need to charge 3-4 times what you are paying your repair techs.  You have to cover all your overhead too. Things like utilities, nonproductive hours, non billable hours for other employees like accounting, management, secretarial services, service writers, go-fers ect.  Then insurance, bennies you offer employees, buildings, taxes, licenses, vehicles, and a hundred other things.  Hopefully some profit in there too.  Some service businesses are operated at a loss to support new sales.

Hard to get by on less than 40% markup on parts too.

So, do you want to pay $40 bucks an hour and have a $10/hr person work on your rig?  Not taking sides, that is just the way it is.  That is also why I will go a long way to do things myself.  Not just because I'm stubborn but because I'm cheep too!   Grin
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Distributor cap      $38.41
Rotor Button            8.45
Water Pump           72.80  Note this is refurbished pump.  they wanted to sell me a new
                                     one for $150.00
Coolant 2.5gals       37.50
By pass hose           3.00
(4) longer bolts        4.68
Trans. fluid 2 qts.     9.00
SHOP SUPPLIES       10.77  What is this?? Nothing was used except their water for my
                                      fresh water tank on board.
Towing of trailer not
covered by ins.       50.00
Diagnoss for a not
run conditon vehicle 90.00
labor to replace
water pump on gas
v-8, 7.5 eng / w air 225.00
hazardous mtl.          10.77
                           ________
            sub total   $560.11
                  tax        51.81
                          _________
            TOTAL      $611.92

Getting a picture of Captain Ron riding bitch on a Honda  "Priceless"
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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2007, 07:52:35 PM »

Yep Gary, I would tend to agree with the position that you weren't gouged. 
We have a 93 Ford 1 ton Econoline with a 351 and I suppose we've replaced everything under the hood....with exception of the long block, and I'd have easily paid what you did to have it done...if I had to do it.  I just get some of my aspiring "car" mechanics to do it.  Vans are a major mojo PITA to work on.   And you had several issues going at once.  At least they found and repaired the problems. 
You probably have a C-6 trans and while it isn't designed to be towed, it can be for short distances.   When that sucker is on the hook, the whole rear of the trans is floating in oil.  That'll check for trans rear main seal problems. 
Looking forward to a visit in Oct....!
What was that you were saying about a "donut"...or something...$20 dollars?  Plastic???  We're gonna give Kyle a $20 donut?  Can't find my glasses!  Cheesy
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2007, 09:01:59 PM »

jjrbus, what was the name of the place that charged you 3 hours while it sat waiting on a belt.  Now that's one we all need to steer clear of!
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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2007, 09:28:54 PM »

Wow, I have comments from every important Busnut on the board and hello Christy, where in the dickens you been??  I do feel like a runt now with my eyes wider at my dilema and agree after all your post that I did not do bad after all in my repairs.  I knew that those of you in business could set me straight and it was worth it to put this question to you all, But I am glad I did post this so maybe still you will order that book of good repair shops to use if you need to and cannot do the repairs yourself to save a few hundred bucks.  I'll still be a cheap SOB though but thanks for taking the time to make me realize all you did. 

So good did come out of all this, I didn't know where all you guys were and when I do make a stupid post you let me know so it was worth it to say hello to you all and the (Priceless Photo of Captain Ron) was just that, glad you have a great sense of humor, you have to to be a commedian.

Well I guess we can put this post to bed and lets get back to bussin but it was worth it and HELLO  & thanks again to you all.

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« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2007, 03:03:48 AM »

Sorry to "abandon" everyone lately, I've missed all you guys!   Kiss

Unfortunately, we've been short-handed at work, and after the motley assortment of applicants that showed up for the last "office employee hiring" attempt, well, both Margie and I thought that we might just try to squeeze through without adding another office girl.  This means that Larry even has to spend some time in the office in the afternoons to help field calls!  To be honest, I really enjoy having him in there with me in the afternoons, even though I know it does cut into his shop time. Wink  The downside of all this is that even on weekends, my computer time is mostly spend on paperwork instead of visiting with old friends.  I feel like I've slipped off the face of the earth! Cry

Hopefully, after the upcoming rally, I can fill you guys in on the upgrade to TempBus we just finished. . .talk about work now!   Wink  And some of it done in a space suit in 90 degree weather too yet! Tongue  Cheesy  Christy Hicks
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2007, 07:30:58 AM »

Gary your always saying your a do yourself guy yet you paid to have somebody else do it then cry because you had to pay em . Look at the price of parts and see how much you could saved to put toward getting that engine in your bus.

Remember DIY

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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2007, 09:06:57 AM »

LarryH,
with all due respect I was not crying about what this cost me but inquiring if it was within reason by others that may have had roadside experience similar to mine and may in the future. Two things come out of this, I learned that it is more costly than I anticipated to have others work on my vehicle and I admit that but also to inspire others to be better prepared in case they have to also and have information where to go if they do from documentation from other busnuts. 

Please don't go flaming me for something good coming out of this for me and others too.  I do not have any shame to admit when wrong or passing on information from experiences I have good or bad and the list goes on especially if someone benefits from any of it.

I could of fixed this I am sure, I was on the interstate, 3 ft. from the white line, trucks doing 80 miles per hour past me and rocking my S&S, RV completely dead and the safest thing to accept is being towed off for my families safety also.  I had no toad to go get parts, or I probably would of just gotten towed off to a safe place, the price of towing would of been the same.  I am not making excuses for not doing this repair myself on the water pump, I just did not have the tools, area to work in or way to get parts at the time to do. 

Maybe I mis-interpeted your response and if I did then I apologize as anything I do I do not indicated it absolutely correct, the best way, the only way to do or you have to even read it.  I do not post to intimidate anyone, If I do you can depend upon my departure for good.  If I have helped in ways I hope to some that appreciate it then I feel I have put our BB'd to good use and passed it on.  There is always some good that HAS to come of of some bad, my bus, my break downs, my instructions even on how to use a computer.  I don't have any intention to quit helping out unless the concesus of everyone is  I offer a lot of garbage.  Then rethinking my goal must be done by me.

A third good thing happened out of this post, I was contacted on this bb'd & in public by other friends I have met and not been in contact with in a long time and they confirmed my question about interstate repair of overcharging were without warrant and I have accepted that.

I am hoping this post can now be put to rest in the archieve's or where ever so it does not go in a mis-directed direction.
Thanks for the post and the opportunity to re-address. 
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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2007, 04:17:06 PM »

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Sorry you took it that way I was poking fun at you but I guess I'm not in the curcle so u won't see another post

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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2007, 04:38:10 PM »

LarryH,
I did apologize ahead of time just in case I did take you wrong and now see that I did.  It is hard at times to sit here and really understand what people really do mean in their post which includes me, so lets just say I was a butt wipe on this and we are good!!  Lost my sense of humor and it is easy to do at times, I would welcome you in my circle of friends any time.

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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2007, 06:38:23 PM »

Gary

Sorry you took it that way I was poking fun at you but I guess I'm not in the curcle so u won't see another post

LarryH

Awww, Come on back anytime LarryH. Garry winds himself a little too tight sometimes - he will get over it 'cause he is a truley GREAT guy. Once U meet him in person, you will know what I mean.

If you're a busnut, you're already in his circle of friends - like it or not.  Grin

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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2007, 12:56:40 PM »

  yes  if you get to know gary there is no finer friend in the world.  Just ask him about the ford truck and tilt steering. or maybe about snakes up a pants leg.

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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2007, 01:36:30 PM »

Gary has a sense of humor? Grin
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2007, 03:01:21 AM »

It takes all different kinds to make groups interesting.(I thought on&up guy was interesting)  this crowd is pretty diverse with busses in common.  Life is tough enough without support from our freinds.  We are here to help and be helped, be it information or moral support.  Hope we all learn from each other anyway.

we're all human and emotional creatures(like it or not),  not good idea to take it too personal

We all could use a little "Bus Therapy" from time to time.
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