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Author Topic: Webasto in a seated 102A3 ?  (Read 1169 times)
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« on: September 28, 2007, 07:40:39 PM »

I was snooping around a local bus garage this afternoon and there was what appeared to be a 102 sitting there that they are planning to junk out. I couldn't recognize the engine other than i know it was not a two stroke Detroit. I noticed what appeared to be a diesel fired water heater hooked up to the engine. Was that a fairly common option on newer coaches delivered to cold weather climates?

Would there be any value to me in getting them to sell it to me? Could I adapt it for use in my bus? What would it be worth? Is there separate control circuitry for it that could be salvaged? Or would be required?

I know the shop manager, so I can ask him, but he was gone by the time I got there today. Mostly wondering if its usable and what it might be worth.

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2007, 05:11:32 PM »

All the new coaches 'round here are equipped from the factory with diesel fired heaters, Webasto, Espar, Proheat. I'd hazard a guess to think that it is a standard option no matter the destination of the coach from the factory, but what do I know?

Four strokes don't make enough heat to keep the motor at operating temp and the interior warm at the same time.

Also set up as block heaters for at the ski slopes.

Also, all the transits have been equipped for as long as the 4 strokes have been installed.

Good used take-out, all bits and pieces to make it work included, no more than $500, less if you can get away with it.

Just so you know, the cigarette pack sized controller costs somewhere $500 new all by itself new....

happy coaching!
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2007, 07:02:26 PM »

All the new coaches 'round here are equipped from the factory with diesel fired heaters, Webasto, Espar, Proheat. I'd hazard a guess to think that it is a standard option no matter the destination of the coach from the factory, but what do I know?

Four strokes don't make enough heat to keep the motor at operating temp and the interior warm at the same time.

Also set up as block heaters for at the ski slopes.

Also, all the transits have been equipped for as long as the 4 strokes have been installed.

Good used take-out, all bits and pieces to make it work included, no more than $500, less if you can get away with it.

Just so you know, the cigarette pack sized controller costs somewhere $500 new all by itself new....

happy coaching!
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Another bus nut sold me a new Proheat X45 when his life changed course, but it didn't come with the 7 day timer of which you speak. A query to the manufacturer netted the usual result..."Contact an authorized dealer" (and pay full retail).
So I kept an eye on the Eplace, and snagged a brand new one about 2 months ago for $38.56 shipped.

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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2007, 07:02:17 AM »

Hi Guy's

You really don't need the timer. A simple home t-stat or on/off switch will work just fine. You need to know which two wires to use though...

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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2007, 09:56:10 AM »

I guess I better check on it. Knowing the service manager, he might just say "take it out".

Buswarrior, will i have to look far to find the brain box? Or as Nick was saying, do I just hook up the water fuel and give it voltage to make it work? -Nick what do you think?

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2007, 10:31:27 AM »

Hi Guy's

You really don't need the timer. A simple home t-stat or on/off switch will work just fine. You need to know which two wires to use though...
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I have the ProHeat X45 install manual, as well as the 7 day timer install book. If anyone needs any of the info, email or PM me and I'll send it to you.

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2007, 03:13:52 PM »

Hello Fredward.

Webasto is the brand I'm familiar with.

The brain box is attached to the side of a Webasto. There are a number of excellent safety features, limit switches and thermostatic features on these to prevent them from burning down the house.

I am led to believe that the others are quite similiar, in that they have a number of protection and control circuits that must work in concert to function safely.

The control up at the driver is another set of fun, which is easily understood if you have the manual.

Some have timers digital, some have timers 3 day clock, some just have on and off, depends on vintage and which one was optioned.

Webasto has all of their manuals, very detailed, available online for free.

As long as they give you the complete Furnace, with the length of wire cut off, and the driver's control with a length of wire cut off, you should be good to put it back together.

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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2007, 06:20:11 PM »

Hi Fred,

If it's a Proheat, there is 4 wires that run to the timer. Use the red & green wires in the timer harnes to cycle the proheat on and off.

The other 2 wires [black & white] are for powering up the timer.

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 04:53:53 AM »

If you have a ProHeat, You can go to this site and download the manual  (it is about 88 Pages)  Jack


http://www.teleflexcomfortpro.com/pdf/Truck_&_Bus/Proheat_X45/Installation_&_Maintenance/X45_Service_Eng.pdf
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