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« on: October 20, 2007, 06:12:40 PM »

OK ya'll all ready know I ain't all that book smart! I know the basics and so on, and enough to get by on day to day! But when its technical stuff with tons of reading and comprehending bunches of technical lingo, I get lost after the first paragraph! I don't think that's it's cause I'm stupid or noth'n, I just have trouble comprehending anything that I can't get hands on experience of! Usually if I do something as I'm learning it I can remember it forever (well maybe a long time), but just to read and compare things and try to comprhend what I read about this thing vs that thing I'm no good at it! 

So here's the deal! A couple weeks ago dad asked me what I knew about GPS systems for routing and traveling and such. But then he got disgusted with me when I handed him a laminated atlas, a staight edge and a wax crayon! He asked "what the **** is all this?" Then he really got mad when I told him "it's a map, a stra......"   "!%@$#&^%*!><":!@#&^%%$#@, I know what they are, but what is the point?!"
I told him that "in all the yrs truck'n I did that was all the GPS I'd needed, ya take and open the atlas to the big page, ya start where ya are and ya lay the straight edge from there to where ya goin! Take the cryaon and make a straight line! DONE routing made easy, you just pick the hwys that come closest to your crayon line and that is your most direct rte!! How much simpler does it get?!" Well needless to say he said much more and worse than above and told me "never mind I SHOULD'VE KNOWN BETTER!"
Well next thing ya know he's gone out and bought (with company $) a Garmin of some kind! Well at first he wasn't to happy with it, and threw the atlas, straight edge, an crayon back at me when I tried to tell him "these been working fine for me for yrs!"
Well now that he's had "Lola" (named after the one Robin Williams had in "RV") I guess he likes her now! (although mom doesn't! She told me earlier today, "that witch is a tattle tale! She told your dad today when he checked her memory that I was running 79.5 mph last night while I was doing the driving!") LOL! 
Anyway they think she's (LOLA) great and told me I should go buy a Tom Tom (mom calls it a Tom Cat) or some other type (w/company $ of course! I thnk they feel guilty! LOL!) so we can compare and see which one we like better!
Well I'm no Technoid, so I ask those of you who understand this stuff to help me out! Which GPS sytem is gonna be a better unit for a slow learning redneck like me? And why? I want something that ain't gonna be to difficult to learn to use, and that I can program and erase what I want when I want! (I don't need no tattle tales tell'n how fast I drive, I have enough to worry about with smoky bear!)
But I really would like to check one out! So how 'bout it folks can any of ya put it in terms I can understand ya know like "still water runs deep" or "think of the bus as a big light bulb!" ? Thanks Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2007, 06:21:40 PM »

BK,

 It is simple the more money the bigger the screen and the more bells and whistles.
 They all do basically the same. If it fits your personality (fewest steps to enter a destination)
 then that would be the one. If it is big papa watching there is always is the auto trip strips
 to check RPM and MPG on the paper disk. (better to start a fire with)

  Actually go with the same your dad has and let him program the destinations and you learn
 to delete the tattle tells.


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    PS redneck is a way of life not a statement of IQ. You be smart NO?
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 06:39:52 PM »

most GPS units have similar features, many you will likely never use. on the boats I tell people to go to someplace like West Marine or other large marine outfitter because they usually have a wide selection on display and working and you can try them out to see if they are user friendly to you. I only know how to use the basics on them and that is all I have ever needed. I do know people that can program nearly all of their lives into one but that is beyond this dumb rednecks ability. If you can find a West marine or like see what they have just pick one that is usable for what you need, the most important part is how good the screen is. daylight screens are far better in the glare but if you can mount it where that is not a problem  then save the money.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2007, 07:03:43 PM »

BK,if you have a laptop buy yourself a Delorme for less than 90.00 bucks at Cosco and it will also talk to you if your into that
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 07:12:46 PM »

BK You are basically rite about the maps cause you can't take any short cuts without a road there anyway. The GPS is great for aircraft and boats couase you have time to fiddle with it. but driving and the darn thing talking to you might be confusing and my experience with them is they are great if you inow where you are going but following the back seat driver instructions are fun till you miss a turn and then it starts with a reroute to get back where you belong. I have on that hooks to the laptop called the co pilot and works well Jerry
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2007, 09:53:13 PM »

BK, it depends on how good your eyes are.  The little Garmins and Tom Tom Go's are great if you can see the screen. They all do a lot more than most of us expect, especially me.

I bought the DeLorme Street Atlas for under $90 and put it on my laptop. I'll probably never learn how to do everything it can do, but it will certainly do everything I want, and I can see it.

Since it's on a laptop it can easily be updated. Maybe the little ones can too, I would certainly hope so for the price you pay.


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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 02:59:47 AM »

BK, I looked at the small GPS units and they are nice, but like the others have said the small units are very hard to read, and they all cost at least $300.

I bought DeLorme Street Atlas for under a hundred dollars, it came with a free GPS receiver that you put on the dash and it finds the satellite automatically. I have it installed in my laptop and I can see it very easily. It has there-routing feature if you go past your exit or turn. It has millions of built i stops , fuel, and rest areas, and the damn thing talks to you in one of several voices. Male or female. It tells you how fast you are going, how much fuel you are using and when to pull over and get more fuel.

My vote is for the DeLorme in the laptop.

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 07:56:17 AM »

OK, Now I get to tell you the BAD part...

It doesn't matter which GPS you get, They all will take you places that you simply
DONT want to go.

The problem is the mapping is crappy at best and does not take any consideration for vehicle size or driver difficulty level.

Fastest Time: This will take you OUT and AROUND and probably 100 miles out of the way. If you watch carefully enough, A Paper MAP book will let you figure out where
and how to get there with the fewest detours. Fastest Time also doesn't allow for overhead clearance. These things are programmed for a CAR or Motorcycle.. NOT a large or oversized vehicle with stuff up onthe roof.

SHORTEST Distance: This is fine for a car/bike or 4-wheeldrive. NOT a BUS or Truck!
Every back alley and winding mountain road, dirt road and anything that has ever been actually mapped at some point in history. The problem is that the shortest distance roads may not actually exist or are usable for much more than an OX Cart.
( Even the names may have been changed or somebody just guessed at the name )

All said... ( Cause I been mislead by Garmin and MS Streets ) is get one that is used by Truckers and preferred by them for best routing. Knowing the kinks and krooks of that road in advance is better than flying blind.

Plan on spending $700 + to get on that has the overpass heights and truck routes separated from the "Scenic" routes. Even then be very wary if where you are heading starts to look suspicious.. ( Like no lines on the road or things start to go vertical )....

If the sphincter factor starts to kick in, You have been lead astray....That feeling of DOOM and all that is enough to give you a few more grey hairs.

Besides, A Pro Driver would never use a GPS that was obvious to the passengers. Not a pleasing thought that your driver is as lost as you are.....

It's that thing that says, I know where I am...Just verifies that you actually do know where you are going and how fast...

I argue with both of my GPS systems and they pester me to death.. RECALCULATING!!!! I hear that in my dreams....LOST SATELLITE RECEPTION....

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 08:09:49 AM »

I'll put in a vote for the computer based unit as well.  We use MessySloth Streets & Trips running on my laptop.  Since we always have the laptop along it works well.  The dash mounted units look sexier but I don't think I could see anything useful on them while driving.  My navigator is a better cook, if you know what I mean.  I can glance at my laptop & figure out what is happening.  I have just started letting the girl inside the computer talk to me - she's somewhat useful but more of a novelty than a necessity IMHO.  

The important thing to remember is that none of the systems are any better than the basemaps that they use and there are actually very few unique basemaps - IOW most of them are using the same core data.  And that data is not 100% perfect.  You still need to use your head - the GPS may route you over stuff that you don't want to go over or tell you to turn right where there is no right turn.  At those moments where it wants you to turn right and there is only grassy median to your right you will be glad that the map scale is large enough for you to figure out a new route on the move.  Ask me how I know this!

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 08:20:49 AM »

BK, my buddy has his own tow company and has one with commercial routes on it.
I'll call him today and try to find out which one he uses. He loves those new toys, LOL.  Cool
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 08:44:05 AM »

Bryce,

I see several votes here for computer-attached units, and they do work, but there is a downside:  computers in locations visible to the driver are flat illegal in several states, whereas dedicated navigational GPS units are not (although two states forbid attaching such units to the windshield or side windows).

As a professional driver, you probably want to check the laws of all the states you'll be passing through before deciding to go the computer route (no pun intended).  The citation in California, for example, is over $300, and appears on your driving record if the computer is on when you are pulled over.  (California is also one of the states that prohibits sticking anything to the windshield.)  Some states closer to home have similar laws.

We use a Garmin 7200.  Garmin, for all its annoying corporate policies, is the world leader in automotive GPS units (followed by, in order, Magellan, TomTom, and Mio).  None of the GPS companies produces its own maps or points of interest -- all use either TeleAtlas or NavTeq.  The 7200 has a large 7" screen, with large "buttons" (it's a touch screen -- buttons appear when you need them), making it very easy to read under way.  It also has vehicle-type settings, which include "Bus" and "Truck".  If you tell it you're a bus, it tries to avoid U-turns and smaller roads.  It's definitely not perfect -- more than once it's tried to take us down a road with low trees.

If you plan to use the unit without an external antenna, then I suggest getting one of the newer units with the SirfStarIII chipset.  Older units will have trouble maintaining enough satellite signals for 3D navigation in a coach, particularly in heavily wooded areas or urban "canyons."  Our 7200 does not have the new chipset, but we have an amplified antenna on the roof, with a clear view of the sky in all directions.

Whatever model you get, expect it to take some time to get used to the quirks.  They all navigate a bit differently, and they all have annoying habits.  Drive it around in the car for a while to get a feel for how it routes, and then you can go into the settings and change preferences until it does more or less what you want.

Remember, you don't need to use the automatic route guidance -- you can just have it be a moving map display if that's all you need.  Easier than looking up your position in an atlas while driving.

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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2007, 11:58:47 AM »

BK, my buddy has the one Sean has mentioned - Garmin "Street Pilot 7200".
He's quite happy with it, he goes out of state quite often with the truck and said it's great.
He mentioned that they now make a model 7500 - he doesn't know about that one yet.....
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2007, 12:16:22 PM »

Thanks all! I have MS Streets and Trips on my lap top, but it seems to hate me and doesn't like to pick up signal from the sensor when I want it too the most! Like when I have it hooked up! LOL! And as Sean points out I am leery of using the lap top for more than one reason! One I don't know about all the laws against it, and it means the lap top would be placed out in the open and could be easily stolen while I'm out of the drivers seat tending to luggage or other duties! I will check out the Garmin 7200 & 7500's of course I really don't what I'm looking for! I'll also even look into the Delorme and maybe a good way to secure the lap top while I'm away temporarily from it! After all I never leave home with out the lap top so it would be one less item to have, but on the other hand I was thinking a dedicated GPS system mounted in a convenient location that would eliminate setting up the lap top every time I go some where would be nice too! Thanks for the advice and I'll let ya's know how I decide & how it works! And as mom said "I don't need no stink'n witch tattling on me!" LOL ! I can see her turning "Lola" off while dad is resting on their way home from Texas via St. Louis tonight! LOL!
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2007, 07:31:25 PM »

I use the delorme on the laptop,  I bought both instead of spending money on fixing the seedometer

still learning it

worked pretty good on the way to the mountines near linville this weekend and i had programmed it before  i stuck a stop in to change the way it wanted to take me. good thing, avoided some 12-14% grades with switch backs by rocks. i have the voice turned off.

hardly got signal and the way back, no program, just tried to record it.  if i could take a screen shot id post it.  It showed me going accross the saluda water shed lake when the windshield was showing me highway 25. Huh

I do like the planning and i downloaded the low bridges from here, http://www.discoveryowners.com/cginfolinks.htm, Dallas told me how to do it and with a little reading on the help files, i can turn it on. 

Maybe you can run out back and let Dallas show you a thing or two, about GPS that is Shocked Grin



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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2007, 07:41:30 PM »

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He mentioned that they now make a model 7500 - he doesn't know about that one yet.....


The 7200 and 7500 are almost identical -- same package, same navigation software.  The 7500 has inputs for wheel sensors, and can do "dead reckoning" -- figuring out where you are based on wheel sensors and the map, without GPS input.  Basically only useful if you spend lots of time where there is no GPS signal, such as in major high-rise cities (think New York or Chicago), in tunnels, or other subterranean environments like parking structures.  That's the only difference between them.

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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2007, 03:25:52 PM »

Hello

The techno junkie bus driver who had one of the first set ups I saw a few years ago was using one of those hand-held personal organizers with the antennae attached.

Less conspicuous if you route the cables neatly, and you could switch it to playing music if the federales pull you over?

Maps have served me well so far on this leg of the journey...

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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2007, 07:43:22 PM »

OT...

How many of you know where the term "REDNECK" came from?

Hint: It was a nickname given to a group of people....
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2007, 07:45:37 PM »

heard it was from a group of miners who went to battle the mine owners, they wore red neckerchiefs to identify themselves. not sure if thats right but sounds good.
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 11:17:52 PM »

When you plow behind a mule you keep the reins around your neck.  Between the sun and those reins chafing....REDNECK.  Honest Smiley  It literally translates "hard working, hard scrabble, simple southern farmboy".  And that is not an insult in my book.  Lately it has taken a turn to mean "closed minded and highly prejudiced and under educated southerner".  And that is an insult.  If you ever hear a black man/woman refer to a "neck", that is the way they say it and it is no complement for sure.

A friend from Tn. filled me full of this lore, if thats the way you spell it.

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2007, 05:36:28 AM »

When you plow behind a mule you keep the reins around your neck.  Between the sun and those reins chafing....REDNECK.  Honest Smiley  It literally translates "hard working, hard scrabble, simple southern farmboy".  And that is not an insult in my book.  Lately it has taken a turn to mean "closed minded and highly prejudiced and under educated southerner".  And that is an insult.  If you ever hear a black man/woman refer to a "neck", that is the way they say it and it is no complement for sure.

A friend from Tn. filled me full of this lore, if thats the way you spell it.

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Sounds right to me, but I never heard that before.

Also, the reins typically go around your neck and then under one arm on the other side. That way you can control the team with a slight turn of your body either way. Don't ask me how I know this. LOL
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2007, 05:41:08 AM »

Richard,

Had Mules even been invented when you were young?  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2007, 05:42:05 AM »

Richard,

Had Mules even been invented when you were young?  Wink

Nope, all we had were Jackasses. LOL
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2007, 05:43:32 AM »

It was a term used to describe a group of Coal Miners in West Virginia in battle
with union and non union mine owners. ( History Channel )

It was the red bandanna that started the phrase.

However, Many old stories may exist like the plow harness one.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more than 50 explanations about where
the term came from. I guess it depends on who you ask.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2007, 05:44:30 AM »

Richard,

Had Mules even been invented when you were young?  Wink

Nope, all we had were Jackasses. LOL
Richard



He-he-he-he-he!

Glad I wasn't around then!
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2007, 09:26:30 AM »

It was a term used to describe a group of Coal Miners in West Virginia in battle
with union and non union mine owners. ( History Channel )
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I do not believe this.  Well, actually, I do not doubt that the term was used in that context, but I don't believe that it is the sole "origin" of the term.

First off, if I had a nickel for everything that I heard on the History Channel that was just plain wrong, I could fill my fuel tank.  Things that are vastly oversimplified, or described without suitable context, are even more prevalent.

While the story cited, no doubt, had some contribution to the widespread usage of the term, most reputable etymologies trace the usage of the word back at least as far as the 1830's, which predates unionization of coal mining by a fair bit.  (I believe the West Virginia unionization conflicts occurred in the 1890's.)

I'm afraid this is one of those expressions whose true origins are lost to history.  Many people have great theories about it which they often relate as absolute fact, and those sometimes get repeated by very reputable sources (such as the History Channel).  But that does not make it so.

Our language is full of such expressions.  One of my favorite examples is "the whole nine yards."  Depending upon whom you ask, this expression describes the laden capacity of a cement mixer, or of a dump truck, or the amount of fabric required to make a man's three-piece suit, or possibly it even has something to do with football.  Many people will articulate their own version of the etymology as fact, but etymologists are simply unsure of the precise origin.

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2007, 09:44:33 AM »

Sean,

   I love how groups claim origins of words. Sometimes true sometimes a real stretch.

of Scottish word coinage
Redneck and hillbilly  http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2007, 10:26:40 AM »

Richard,

If the reins only go around half your neck...does that make one a "half" red neck?  And is also akin to the term "half as*ed"?

Sean,

So there we were sitting around shooting the bull and you showed up and broke out "academic". Grin  Maybe next time we should sit around and shoot the "etymoligists". Roll Eyes  Thought they were "bug people" ?Wink

Great info,

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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2007, 10:54:37 AM »

John,

    Last clinic I went on drafting (sorry not NASCar) they were teaching to keep the reins in front.
  to bad I'm rein challenged.
 Old days:
 If you had a good puller the reins would go on the shoulder not the neck otherwise That just hurts.
 I have seen some of the old boys have one side under the arm and the other over the shoulder.


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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2007, 11:11:19 AM »

John,

    Last clinic I went on drafting (sorry not NASCar) they were teaching to keep the reins in front.
  to bad I'm rein challenged.
 Old days:
 If you had a good puller the reins would go on the shoulder not the neck otherwise That just hurts.
 I have seen some of the old boys have one side under the arm and the other over the shoulder.


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I believe that when you got to the end of a row and turned to go back the other way, you reversed the reins also. Been too long to really remember. Kinda needed to keep one side of the loop above the shoulder so they did not slip down. Could not keep them very tight or the team would stop.
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2007, 11:20:34 AM »

Richard,

   Yep and the shoulder with out the reins would the be considered the "cold shoulder"?

   Grin Oh that was fun.

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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2007, 11:55:40 AM »

Sean,

Wow Man you are so horribly serious all the time...

Do you believe anything that Mythbusters does... I don't!
( most of it is just SO wrong!! )

Do you wonder about Mike on Dirty Jobs? He never seems to carry any knowledge
from one job to the next... Just plain silly or the writers are dumber than he is.

Sort of starting to sound like ( a few ) Bus owners... I shall carry forth no knowledge to the next task.....or next day as it seems... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

The bottom line is when you have a television channel to fill time slots in for you will take anything that some idiot produced as long as some advertiser is willing to pay.

A Few facts, A few Tales and a lot of made up fictional events are portrayed as HISTORY or TRUTH.... and that doesnt count for all the books that get printed...

See the thing is to wait for 50 years or more to tell a story hoping that anyone who was there has passed on and can't tell really what happened...

Where's my teleporter and air car? I am still waiting.... Hey they said we would have them now according to Popular Science of the 60's....Would that be a historical joke?

We went to the moon, Fact or Fiction? ( Problem is that nobody else was there to prove anything or not prove it. )

Life is a Farce... Living on Planet Earth Isn't any fun anymore...

Beam Me Up.........Please!!!! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2007, 02:04:31 PM »

Our language is full of such expressions.  One of my favorite examples is "the whole nine yards."  Depending upon whom you ask, this expression describes the laden capacity of a cement mixer, or of a dump truck, or the amount of fabric required to make a man's three-piece suit, or possibly it even has something to do with football.  Many people will articulate their own version of the etymology as fact, but etymologists are simply unsure of the precise origin.

Gee, I heard that was from WWII when it took 27' (9 yards) to load the machine guns in the wings of the figther planes. A few others I have heard (but never verified):  "Sleep tight" from the old beds that were a mattress laid on a framework of rope (you tightened the rope with a wooden stick) for a better nights sleep. "Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite", Years ago, when people lived in log cabins, sod homes, etc., bedbugs (body lice) were more more common.  "He bought it lock, stock, and barrel", guns were sold in 3 parts (lock, stock & barrel), If you wanted a gun, you bought the 3 parts. "Raining Cat & Dogs", in early Europe, most buildings had thatched roofs. Cats & dogs frequently climbed onto the roofs and when the roofs got wet, the aninals would fall off. "Living high off the hog" the upper classes of people would get the better cuts of pork such as the loins and roast (the higher part of the hog) while the lower classes of people got the pigs feet, bacon, etc Jack
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2007, 04:11:56 PM »

I have the Magellan 360 that works well.  I still use the Rand McNally to figure out the best route, and to figure out mileage-I consider that alot of the fun figuring out routes and mileages.  I usually use the GPS just to find out the address once I'm close.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2007, 05:12:33 PM »

Hi BK,


I have owned the Delorme(laptop), the tom tom and the Garmin C530. The delorme is nice but you do have to have a laptop, a place to set the laptop and of course a power supply. The tom tom couldn't find the first five addresses that I entered into it, when it did the darn thing would just freeze for no reason at all. I took it b ack and got a replacement..it did the same thing. I then went to Wal-mart and bought a Garmin C530. It worked flawlessly..straight out of the box. It also lets you pick what type vehicle that it is in or on(yes it does have choice for bus). I have had the unit for 8 months now and haven't had a minutes trouble with it. I am a service tech that travels around 3,000 miles per month. Some of the places I go are close to major highways and cities, but the majority are off the beaten path. Having used the 3 systems I would recommend the Garmin for reliability, portability and ease of use. You can purchase the C530 for around 230.00 here in South Carolina.

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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2007, 05:32:54 PM »

OK, those of you who have a Delorme, What exactly do I need?.   Huh  I have the laptop. I checked out buying the Delorme but there are several different versions. Help!

and THANKS!  Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2007, 09:15:49 PM »

OK, those of you who have a Delorme, What exactly do I need?.   Huh  I have the laptop. I checked out buying the Delorme but there are several different versions. Help!


You want the EarthMate GPS and Street Atlas 2008.  They are offered together as a bundle, although Street Atlas is also offered separately.  Get the bundle -- for $70, it's a great deal.  Here's a link to it on Delorme's site (but they are also sold in stores):
http://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtdItemDetail.jsp?minisite=10020&item=26506&section=10091

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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2007, 10:42:20 PM »

I have the Delorne EarthMate GPS and the bundled Street Atlas software. I also purchased (extra charge) their ToPo USA software. It is approx 5 CD's of topographic maps of the entire USA. When you check a route (or as you drive) it shows the elevation grid lines, this makes it easy to see if there is a hill (up or down) on your route. It also gives you a 3D display and this really shows mountains very clearly.
I never drive by it, but I do like to check out a route in advance (usually the night before), then I don't get any suprises. I like paper maps but they are flat and the 3D display is great.
Upgrade to ToPo USA, you will like it!!

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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2007, 05:55:31 AM »

Thanks!   Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2007, 06:34:09 PM »

A friends Cadillac has a spiffy system.  He gets speed and mpg and trip average data.  How does the gps give mpg data.  There must be some sort of fuel consumption input.  How would that work with a D that has a "return to tank" for fuel that was used to cool injectors?

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