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« on: October 24, 2007, 01:10:12 PM »

I have a fully restored 1948 MCI and would like to acquire collision insurance while I am on the Baja this winter. Mexican insurers will not underwrite anything older than 15 years. I have a substantial investment in time and money in my coach, and don't feel like gambling. Any suggestions out there?
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 01:56:42 PM »

Buy a Junker and drive That down their.. I wouldnt take ANYthing of Value into Mexico..
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 03:38:03 PM »

This is who we will be using this year.  They quoted me on my 1981 Prevost (ie - more than 15 years old).  I haven't actually bought the coverage yet but I'm not anticipating any problems.

www.mexican-autoinsurance.com
Toll Free: 888-377-1570

We have used Lewis & Lewis in the past but this guy comes well recommended and at a slightly better price. 

And SP why don't you stick to giving advice about things that you know something about?  The OP didn't ask for a rant about mexican travel - he asked for information about Mexican insurers.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 06:23:42 PM »

Please educate?

 Does one need Mexican Insurance when in that country?
 Doesn't the US common insurance co.'s go that far south?
 

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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2007, 06:28:19 PM »

Some north american companies will cover any loss you suffer ( note I said SOME ) but most don't. However you MUST purchase liability insurance from a mexican insurance company if you travel into Mexico.

Here are two I will be contacting for my insurance before I go down for Thanksgiving and I was told that they will insure bus conversions on a case by case basis.

Baja Bound 888-552-2252  or Mex Bound 877-265-baja

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2007, 07:20:49 PM »

Skip - you don't need insurance in Mexico in the sense that nobody will ever ask you or check to see if you do or don't have insurance.  And as Mel has already pointed out some US carriers may cover you for loss.  The reason most of us who travel in Mexico buy Mexican insurance is threefold:

1) my carrier won't cover me for losses outside of the US or Canada (which brings up another subject - I'll come back to that later)
2) Mexico has a different legal code.  In the US and Canada we work on the assumption that every lowlife a$$hole is innocent until we can prove him guilty.  The Mexicans turn that around and automatically assume that, if you are picked up by the cops for anything you are guilty until you prove otherwise - its called the Napoleonic code and, like I said, its different.  Now in a lot of cases I agree with that system.  The catch is that - if you are in an accident - the cops are going to assume that you and whoever else is involved is guilty until proven innocent.  And if they have any doubt about either party showing up to face the music they will just throw your a$$ in jail until your court date comes up.  We buy insurance to avoid that possibility.
3) We also buy insurance to cover us for legal counsel in the event of an accident.

Now, back to my carrier not covering me while I'm in Mexico.  When we get home I write the carrier a letter complete with proof of the time we were out of the US and request a refund of my premiums for that period.  No coverage - no premiums due.  They pay.  Its no biggie but it helps cover the cost of the Mexican coverage.  Proving when we were out of the country is easy too - there's a short toll road immediately south of Nogales - I just save the toll stubs when we enter and leave the country.

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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2007, 07:26:10 PM »

Please educate?

 Does one need Mexican Insurance when in that country?  YES
 Doesn't the US common insurance co.'s go that far south? NO
 

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 08:08:32 PM »

Thanks
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 12:45:15 AM »

First of all - the Mexican government will NOT let your bus into Mexico without proof of ownership and the proper LIABILITY INS. - I have coverage in Mexico on my INS. for collision/comp, and so do most, but it is not Liability (as Melbo posted) - The reason is that liability laws are different in Mexico than the US - HTH
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 04:14:17 AM »

Anyone feel like posting how much the required mexican liabilty insurance was for their bus.  I think my van was $225 for 6 months but that was awhile ago 3 yrs) and I bought it just before the border.  It would seem that online we could get a better price/more competition.  Patrick.
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 04:19:59 AM »

something not mentioned is that a "surety Bond"(?) is needed as well, basically it is a $250 deposit withdrawel from your credit card.  It is refunded when you leave the country with your vehicle.  The 250 was for a van maybe buses are more.  When  I was there last it was only permisible for one vehicle per person, so the toad would have to be registered to a co traveller, and a CC in their name used for the deposit.  Same for motorcycles (big ones any way). Times change this may have as well.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 05:29:29 AM »

    A refundable cash deposit is required if you do not have a credit card. the deposit is to insure that your vehicle is not sold in Mexico. They use the  credit card as a deposit and will debit it if the vehicle doesn't exit the country.
    However, motorhomes are granted a ten year permit because it is unlikely (or impossible) that it will be sold. Ask for the 10 year.  Each person is given a six month visa and vehicles other than motorhomes 6 month.
     As a missionary and a family of 9, we have traveled Mexico extensively over the past 25 years. NEVER have we had one bad experience.
 Insurance is not required however you will spend extra time (in jail) if you wreck and do not have it or lots of $$$$$$. Use a reputable company for liability. Sanborns is a good one
 When I go for extended periods of  time, I purchase enough insurance to get me to a large city and then buy some for a longer period of time.  Tomas
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2007, 06:48:25 AM »

I thought that I had replyed that I am pretty sure that our insurance in the US is just as good in Canada.
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 07:44:08 AM »

 Jack sometimes it is Gremlins, they love to play havoc with bus nuts!!! They enjoy migrating around bus conversions from system to system. They also become dormant to lull you into a false sense of security and then they strike without mercy. One of there favorite things is to keep something from working without leaving any clues. So you go to repair it and nothing is wrong, this sends them into fits of ecstasy after which they will leave you alone for a bit.
 If you really want to see them in action, go into Mexico without Mexican insurance Grin
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 07:46:13 AM »

Patrick - I've got a quote right now from Mexico Bob for coverage based on $80,000 value for $464.50

Niles - I don't know what you are referring to but you are wrong about the Mexican government & insurance.  They couldn't care less whether you do or don't have insurance.  You are right that they will check your ownership prior to issuing the temporary vehicle import permit but there is absolutely no requirement to demonstrate insurance at that point.  
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2007, 07:48:09 AM »

I thought that I had replyed that I am pretty sure that our insurance in the US is just as good in Canada.
Was it deleted?  If so...why?
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2007, 03:12:54 PM »

From the U.S. Dept of State:

Insurance:  Mexican insurance is required for all vehicles, including rental vehicles.  Mexican auto insurance is sold in most cities and towns on both sides of the border.  U.S. automobile liability insurance is not valid in Mexico, nor is most collision and comprehensive coverage issued by U.S. companies.  Motor vehicle insurance is considered invalid in Mexico if the driver is found to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs.


http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html#transportation
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2007, 03:21:16 PM »

Niles: I never said it was a bad practice to carry Mexican insurance.  The fact that the US State Department recommends that US citizens carry Mexican insurance while travelling in Mexico doesn't mean diddly to Mexico.  Carrying Mexican insurance is certainly a best management practice but it is equally certainly not mandatory.

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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2007, 03:52:42 PM »

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the link.  I requested a quote from San Xavier. 

Did you try Sanborn's as well?  Just curious as to what they would be priced at.  My last trip to Mex we used them but that was in a Mazda 626.  This will be a little different.

We are leaving from Kelowna on the 31st of this month to head south.  Should be a great trip.  I am a little nervous (in the pre-game sense) but I'm sure my green engine will push at least that far.  My kids are bouncing off the wall with excitement to get going.  We are going to home school for the two months, en espanol no doubt! Cheesy

Where do you head to in Mex when you go?  We are going as far south as PV on this trip and then in to Guanajuato and Morelia.

Cheers.

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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 04:29:45 PM »

What a wonderful trip you have ahead of you and what a great adventure and learning experience for the kids.  Maybe we can cross paths somehow in Dec. 

We're leaving here at the end of November & will push directly through to Alamos and then kick back there for a while - we have Mexican friends in Alamos that we haven't seen for several years and we really like Dolisa so we will likely spend at least a week there.  From there we'll go to Guasave (Tavo's "Mr. Moro" at Las Glorias) for Christmas.  Our Mexican daughter's family lives in Guasave so we will have a grand old reunion there.  From there we don't have much of a plan - I'd be happy if we didn't get any further than Teacapan but SWMBO says we are going to Boca so we will likely go to Boca.  The only thing we know for sure is that we won't go to Guadalahara this trip.  I assume you will be headed north at the end of Dec - check my website for an e-address & keep in touch - maybe we can hook up somewhere along the trail. 

Morelia is a beautiful city - we really enjoyed it.  Make sure you go to see the Monarch butterflies while you are in Morelia.  You are an easy day trip away from where they winter once you get that far.  And there's a pyramid ruin right next to the butterflies that's not marked on any guidebooks we had but you will see the signs along the road.  I think we found our way to the butterflies from Church's book - if you don't have better directions than that then just ask & I'll find our trip journal.  I think it was near Ocampo or Tuxpan.

As far as insurance we used Sanborns for our first two trips into Mexico.  They charge heavily for the "warm fuzzy factor".  And they were good in that respect - lots of extra stuff like road logs and trip information but definitely not worth it with all the other resources that are out there.
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2007, 04:46:29 PM »

Bob, this has nothing to do with insurance but does fuel get cheaper the deeper you get into Mexico i checked at border in Texas and it was more than the USA
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2007, 05:10:31 PM »

Flyboy: I don't want to steal the thread, but is your bus a 4104 that came from Saskatoon?
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2007, 06:15:59 PM »

There are multitudes of misinformation about driving in Mexico (and Canada). Be careful where you get your information. Most of the horror stories I have heard start with " A friend of mine" or "I heard of a guy". Mexico has some strange laws and ignorance is no excuse. When driving in Mexico try not to notice any accidents or dead people in the road. The Police may hold YOU as a "Material Witness". They will certainly try to find someone with insurance or money to pay.

I buy my insurance here:

ADA VIS GLOBAL
(800) 909-4457
(800) 909-1007 Fax

It cost $58 per year and covers the drivers license it is issued to in anything they drive or tow including trailers and boats. I buy the legal representation also for an additional $30 or so. They advertise in FMCA and have been in business at least since I became a member in 91.

This is MEXICAN LIABILITY ONLY. It will NOT repair your property or pay for a tow.

Mexico doesn't care if you have coverage for your property but you better have liability that is recognized in Mexico.

I have never had to use the insurance nor have I been asked for it. But I will be prepared if I ever run over a chicken and have to pay for the generations of chickens that I deprived the mexican of. I have talked to others that were involved in an accident and they were allowed to proceed after producing the liability. 

Comp and Collision is very expensive in Mexico to cover most of our rigs and generally must be purchased from Sanborns or others like them. Few if any american carrriers will pay in Mexico.

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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2007, 06:26:00 PM »

HI Stan,

I'm not sure about Sask, but I know it started out in SFO as a Greyhound in 1954.  As far as I know the first time it came to Canada was when it was converted by Bruce Coach in Salmon Arm (guessing early '80s?).  The owner at the time was from Chase, BC. ( again as far as I know)

The VIN is PD4104931.  If you could tell me more about it that would be cool.

Bob,

I will keep in touch with you as we progress on our trip.  It would be great to meet you.  Thanks for the encouragement too.  

A lot of people I know think we are nuts.  They thought that 3 years ago too, but we had a blast.  I love the Mexican people and their attitude towards family and life in general. I've been all over the world during my career as a pilot and have never felt as safe as I do in Mexico.  

Having the kids helps I'm sure.  My boys are 5 and 8 now and keen as ever.  We are going to volunteer at an orphanage near PV where a friend works, should be an eye-opener for all of us.

Talk to you soon, happy travels.

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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2007, 06:30:39 PM »

Hey Bob,

B4 I forget...any suggestions for camping along MEX15 between the border and PV?  We are planning on doing Lukeville, AZ to PV in 4-5 days which I think is realistic.

Tks.

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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2007, 08:07:56 PM »

Flyboy,     we stay at the Pemex fueling stations often. Some of them have showers. They are lit up and secure as it gets.We were always welcomed. I also used a book "traveler's guide to Mexican Camping" by Mike and Terry Church. It is very helpful. Tomas
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2007, 08:30:46 PM »

Someone has already recommended Pemex & I wouldn't hesitate to do that but you may want "official" campgrounds just for the peace of mind factor.  Hitting PV in 4 days is a push - I could do it but I've been down there a lot of times too.  5 days is easier and I wouldn't go in through Lukeville - I'd stay on the US side and go in at Nogales because the road between Sonoyta & Santa Ana is not good.  I'd spend the last US night in Nogales at Mi Casa and then cross as early as you can get mobile.  You never know how long km 22 is going to take but you should be able to easily make Guaymas that night.  We routinely do Nogales all the way to Alamos which is a good solid 40 minutes east of Navajoa.  Stay at the Hotel Cortes in Guaymas and watch out for the tope at the top of the hill about 1/2 a mile after you turn off the highway.

One thing to remember about Mexico is that the distances are further.  Don't look at a map and say - 100 km - 1 hour.  It just doesn't work that way.  And don't be put off by the appearance of Mi Casa - its a genuine trailer park with doublewides all around the outside and tourists on the grass in the middle and it looks rough but we've never had a moment of trouble there - quite the opposite in fact.  Nogales is definitely a border town - better than most Mexican border towns but a border town nevertheless.

The problem is where to stay after Guaymas - you can make Mazatlan the 2nd day with no problem but you may have trouble finding a spot there on short notice.  I have trouble believing that and you will be there in early Nov but I have been lambasted on other forums for telling people to travel Mexico without reservations.  We've never had a reservation in Mexico and don't plan on starting now so, if it were me I'd head for Mazatlan and take my chances on finding a spot.  There's a park at the glorieta on Sabalo at the south end of the golden zone that isn't popular with the long term guys.  Its not that fancy but its clean and we have always been able to drive right in there when other places are full.  If you go to Google Earth and zoom in on 23.239772 x 106.444967 you will be right over the campground, there's a McDonalds next door to the southwest and the glorieta is right in front of Mickey D's.

It can take a long time to get from Mazatlan to PV - it looks like a short distance but the traffic grinds to a halt by about 10:00 AM.  I'd head for Tepic on day 3 (actually if it was me I'd spend a couple of days at Teacapan and the H with the schedule but this is your trip) and then go from Tepic to PV on the last day.  If you want to take a little longer and see some major pretty then head for the coast at San Blas and stay somewhere south of San Blas - there's several spots along the beach - our favorite spot is Paraiso Miramar but you probably want to scope that one out with your towed before you head in there - trust me - look before you get into that one - its worth the trip in but you want to have a look first.  From there you can just follow the coast on down to PV.

My wife said I should be sure to tell you to stay at Villa Corona.  Theres some nice parks there that are waterparks with camping allowed in the park.  If your kids are anything like mine a waterslide will be a big hit at any time.
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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2007, 12:49:48 AM »

Thanks Bob,

Great advice.  I was leaning towards Nogales myself, thinking Lukeville on the suggestion of a friend who uses LV because it's quieter.  My last trip down in '03 we had no hitches at Nogales.  We are going to go the San Blas route as well.  I remember the winding hilly road from last time btw Tepic and PV, coastal to SB sounds better. 

Where do you turn off MEX15 to get to SB?

When I get home from Hawaii, I'm going to show my wife your advice regarding travel time.  It's going to be one of those "I told you so" moments as she wants to take more time getting there. Cheesy

Thanks again for the help.

I'll probably be asking more questions soon.

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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2007, 05:07:19 AM »

Aron: No info, different bus. A friend of mine with a 4104 with a 6-92 sold it to a AC pilot in SE BC and I thought it might be you.
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2007, 05:18:30 AM »

Since this is turning into a mexico thread I'll chime in with this.  I have driven all over mex over the years.  The one thing I never liked doing was driving at night.  I've done it and it was jsut weird, even in areas I knew.  Now that never stopped me, but I didn't enjoy it.  While travelling in unknown territories I only drive in the daytime (I don't really believe all the horror stories I have heard about night driving in mex, but have heard enough of them to be effected by them).  If this is something everybody already knows that great, but if someone is reading this and plans on trying to pound in the miles overnight....BTW I'm not the only one who doesn't drive at night, the times I have travelled through the countrside at night one of the reasons it spooks me is there atre no other cars or trucks out there.  When one finally does show up that is disconcerting as well....sounds like I'm afraid of the dark!  Oh well.
 
Hey Flyboy, could you post how much your mex liability is.  Maybe see you in mex, though I am planning on checking out the gulf coast for a change.  patrick
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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2007, 05:19:25 AM »

Where do you turn off MEX15 to get to SB?

Can't remember but it must be well signed cuz we have found it several times.  It must be in Church's book - that's our bible.  I'd have a look but the book is in the bus and the bus is in town getting new airbags.  All I can remember about that stretch of 15 is lots of old Dinas hauling cargo S L O W L Y up and down the hills.  

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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2007, 06:12:37 AM »

Since this is turning into a mexico thread I'll chime in with this.  I have driven all over mex over the years.  The one thing I never liked doing was driving at night.  I've done it and it was jsut weird, even in areas I knew.  Now that never stopped me, but I didn't enjoy it.  While travelling in unknown territories I only drive in the daytime (I don't really believe all the horror stories I have heard about night driving in mex, but have heard enough of them to be effected by them).  If this is something everybody already knows that great, but if someone is reading this and plans on trying to pound in the miles overnight....BTW I'm not the only one who doesn't drive at night, the times I have travelled through the countrside at night one of the reasons it spooks me is there atre no other cars or trucks out there.  When one finally does show up that is disconcerting as well....sounds like I'm afraid of the dark!  Oh well.
 
Hey Flyboy, could you post how much your mex liability is.  Maybe see you in mex, though I am planning on checking out the gulf coast for a change.  patrick

I have to add my two cents about driving at night. There are generally no pull off areas along the highways and if a truck breaks down or has a flat or whatever, they just stop on the highway until they get it fixed. That can cause enough problem in the daytime when you can see further. At night it can be a catastrophe.  I used to go to San Felipe a lot but with teen age daughters I had to quit going. The local boys would not leave them alone.

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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2007, 06:41:29 AM »

We have a strict rule about never running at night which we only break occasionally.   Grin

We'll run early in the morning - before daylight but never late in the day.  We left Boca early one morning - really early cuz we made it to Guasave that night.  I was passing something in the pre-dawn when it sounded like we'd been shot - scared the bezeebers out of me.  It was a pretty narrow section of road & I must have got too far to the left.  I clipped a concrete post along the edge of the road with my mirror - it must have just ticked the mirror because it didn't touch the trailer which I thought was at least as wide as the mirrors.  Folded the mirror in against the side of the door RIGHT NOW.  It didn't damage the mirror arms or bucket but the glass was gone. 
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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2007, 12:39:04 PM »

Stan,

Yes you are right...the bus belongs to a fellow AC pilot here in Kelowna.  Has a 6v92T in it.  He's a friend of mine.  Funny enough he was the first person to see my bus when it was delivered to my place. 

There was a line up to see it.  My wife figured that buying a bus would be a great idea for all her good looking single friends as the bus seems to attract scads of good looking guys coming to kick the tires! Grin
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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2007, 03:02:04 PM »

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Here's what I came up with re insurance.  We are going to go with San X, $200k seems adequate?

[font=Verdana]Due to the year of the vehicle the Meixo insurance company only authorizes us
for Liability only.
Thank you for your inquiry about Mexico Auto Insurance. Your E-mail indicated that you would like a quote for a 6 months policy for Mexico taking your 1954 GMC PD4104 RV for liability only
 
The premium for  a 6 months  policy would be $109.00
 
You would be cover for $200,000 combined single limit per accident for property damage and bodily injury. You would also be covered for $5,000 per person and $25,000 per accident for medical payments for the occupants of your vehicle. You would also be covered for legal assistance (legal aid, bail bond and attorney fees)
 
You would be given a toll free number direct to the Mexican Insurance Company to report a claim 24/7. They in turn would dispatch an adjuster to you wherever you are in Mexico .
If you have any questions please let us know. Fell free to call us on our toll free line 888-377-1570. The policy can be faxed, e-mailed or mailed. We do accept Visa & M/C if this is convenient for you. Our office hours are 7:30 to 5:00 Monday thru Friday.
 
The Mexican Insurance Company that we represent is Mapfre Tepeyac. They have been in business for over 62 years. They are one of the largest and best thought of companies in Mexico and most financially secure. They are an A M Best A rated company. We have represented them for over 32 years.
Regards,
 
Lupita Alvarez
San Xavier Mexico Insurance[/font]
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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2007, 03:46:37 PM »

Only you can determine what is adequate liability for your own situation - it comes down to what you are prepared to risk.  The odds of a Mexican driver coming to Canada (where the potential awards would be higher) and successfully suing me are slim at best so personally I wouldn't worry about it.  $200k coverage inside Mexico has to be more than adequate.  I would take some property coverage though - my Canadian carrier won't cover me for property loss in Mexico - think fire, vandalism, even theft.  Again, it comes down to what you are prepared to risk.  In our case if the $hit hit the fan I'd want a little bit of help rebuilding.



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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2007, 05:52:51 PM »

Aron: As the previous owner of that 4104 didn't have a computer, he sent me the details to write an ad and post it on the BNO sale sight, where your friend saw it. I am sure he is aware that he didn't even pay the cost of the new drive train when he bought it.  It was a brand new assembly bought of the MCI assembly line. Since Cal owned a trucking company with his own shop, everything was well maintained by his mechanic. It was a tremendous buy for anyone wanting a 4104.
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