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Author Topic: Inverters 12 or 24 volt?  (Read 4704 times)
Chaz
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2007, 07:01:47 AM »

Oh, one more thing needs 12v....... my fridge. But, I would like to rectify that by selling it and getting a household fridge.
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2007, 08:31:37 AM »

I have a 12 volt inverter that is 5000 watts it's not one of those fancy expensive ones like most of you use but it's been great for me for the past 4 years. I as'so now have a 12 volt alt. mounted ready for use.

I doubt that's 5000 watts continuous. Probably max surge for something like 2 seconds!

5000 watts at 12 volts would be 416 amps. That would require something like 6/0 cable for connections and a fuse the size of New Jersey!

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2007, 09:22:38 AM »

If I remember from another post a guy has the same ones as me and they are 5000 surge 4000 continuous. Fuse?  Huh
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2007, 09:44:59 AM »

Since I am staying with my otr air conditioning with is 24 volts and go with a 4000 watt 24 volt inverter, can I use my bus generator/alternator to charge the AGM batteries? If yes, what is the best way to do this without damaging the batteries. Having charged up batteries when arriving would be a great option.
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2007, 02:56:42 PM »

 If you have a coach with 24 volt system I would go with a 24 volt inverter. I use a Trace SW Plus 4000  to run the roof air as I travel. Also if the bus batteries are low I can start with the house batteries. We installed a 24 volt relay to connect the house batteries to the coach system when the engine is running.. I have a Vanner equalizer for 12 volts which I bought on Ebay. The system works great.

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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2008, 08:45:43 AM »

I second Gary W's s opinion about going 24 volt for the house if the bus is 24 volt.

Chaz - to rectify means going from AC to DC  Shocked)  - referring to your going from a 12v refer to a 120 volt refer.  I make it a point to keep all my DC stuff, and use as little 120 volt as I can.  That way I can turn off my inverter while boondocking and still be able to use everything but the tv and stereo.  Saves the batteries from the drain of the idling inverrter.  I use a 24 volt sunfronst refrig, and while pricey, I'm very happy with it.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2008, 08:58:22 AM »

Hello Steve

Easy answer: Yes, you can charge the AGM's with the coach 24v alternator.

Harder one: The charge settings for the AGM's and the coach lead/acid batteries are different.
You have to decide which way, which battery set, is going to get to full charge without overcharging the other.

Some regulator adjustments will be in order.

Also, some busnuts change out the stock regulator and put in a smarter one, typically with 3 stage charging, for getting the depleted house batteries "filled up" again in a reasonable length of time.

happy coaching!
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2008, 09:11:38 AM »

My inverter is 24 volts because the bus is 24 volts.  Some day I might even get the alternator tied to the house battery bank, but I'm a little worried about this.  The standard regulator monitors the starting batteries and delivers the right amps to keep them happy.  Adding a second battery bank might confuse things.  I don't want the house or starting batteries ruined with too much voltage for too long.

I have Vanner equalizer on my house bank for 12 volt loads.  It cost me $300 new on Ebay.

Some days I wish I had gone 12 volt on the inverter simply because I would like to have an inverter with 50 amp transfer switch that oes both legs.  That way the inverter could supply everything in the coach and I could distribute the load more evenly when running on the generator.  This would mean turning off things I don't want to run when on inverter.

The Xantrex RS300 is a real nice inverter with 50 amp dual leg transfer switch, but only in 12 volt.  Maybe there is an inverter out there that is 24 volts that does this.  It doesn't matter too much as the inverter I have works and I'll be using it for a long time.
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2008, 09:13:33 AM »

Will a 3 stage regulator have issues with the starting battery bank?  I thought I read on one of the forums about starting batteries not liking a 3 stage regulator.

Who makes the three stage regulators besides Xantrex?
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« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2008, 09:30:53 AM »

Steve,
     It is kinda a matter of budget.  Though more expensive by far the best way to go is An SW4024 inverter and an equalizer connected across the 24 volt house battery bank to supply the 12 volt 'stuff'.  Then with a suitable inter tie solenoid to the bus 24 volt system you'll most likely be able to run both roof airs while driving but certainly one with ease.  The 24 volt inverter is also a bit more efficient and your time between recharging will be a bit longer.   The key fact is the 50DN 24 volt alternator on your bus produces twice the power output of the 12 volt 50 DN on my bus.  If I were starting over, I'd convert my bus alternator to 24 volt and use a 24 volt house battery bank with an SW4024 and two equalisers, one to supply the 12 volt bus electrical system and a second for the 12 volt house needs.  I may yet make the conversion, unfortunately now it's even more expensive.
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