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Author Topic: 1968 Eagle for sale in Colorado  (Read 2791 times)
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« on: January 16, 2008, 08:04:08 AM »

Saw this today, looks like a deal for someone.
http://denver.craigslist.org/rvs/522952988.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 08:34:23 AM »

no price likely means not a good deal......especially with the divorce.....and supposing what she knows they have in it.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 08:50:25 AM »

FWIW that bus is one of the first 05 Eagles built
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 09:15:02 AM »

It's posted for $37,000.00

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 07:10:28 AM »

Any downside to the early 05 Eagles, other than possible high miles? Doug (-37 here this AM, supposed to get colder tomorrow).
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 07:16:52 AM »

as always RUST RUST RUST.  I can assure you that unless it was stripped to the bones that it has rust issues.

High mileage:  I would figure better than 3 million miles on the chassis
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 11:05:59 AM »

 TEKEBIRD
Way are you so down on Eagles? Are you an expert on eagles? I see on THIS BOARD other buses rusted out worse then eagles, but I guess you won't want to admit it.I guess the difference is RUST or ROT. I was lucky my Eagle had very little rust compared to other buses I've seen on this board. Are you jealous Of EAGLES or what? Have you ever owned a EAGLE or just wish that you did?

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 12:24:48 PM »

Pete, don;t gfet you panties in a wad.

there are few other buses that are as prone to rust/corrosion/cancer as the eagle is.  yes MCI's have areas that are prone as do later GM's

Given a vintage of an Eagle I can almost garantee you there is X ammount of cancer unless it was repaired.  Yes even eagles that spent their whole life in the SW.  In fact I have see quite young Eagles with significant corrosion.

This is not a fault of design but rather choice of materials.

Expert....NO but I have been around enough eagles to know.
Jelous...Hardly,  I don;t care for the look myself, the ride is nice and they drive well.

Sort of a catch 22....they ride nice because of the torsilastic suspension...yet that is a costly fix once they run out of adjustment.

Even an Eagle owner that is not Completely biased will tell a prospective eagle buyer to check on the rust issue.

back to the rust......I have never been able to wwwalk down the side of an MCI, Prevost, GM Setra or Van Hool and lightly thump the side (painted area) and hear a strong rain of rust on the inside of the bus
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 12:28:57 PM »

forgot. Flxinles are almost if not equally as prone to rust.....particularly the VL and models after....again due to material choice
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 12:29:42 PM »

flxibles.....

don;t know much about the Neoplans...other than their skin rusts easily
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 07:33:23 PM »

If this guy doesn't like the looks of an Eagle I think that says something about him!

 Oh, he's probably dating Jessica Simpson!
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2008, 08:07:10 PM »

Pete,

This issue of rust has been going on a long time, I just try and ignore it. I have some rust......and you know what......I don't care.....I Love Our Eagle...Period...

Several Eagle Owners have either left this board or are not participating much because of all the negativity regarding rust issues with Eagles.

Doug, we all know Eagles have rust, some worse than others. Other coaches have similar issues. That kind of discussion you always refer to is really not necessary.

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 08:19:29 AM »

Paul,

I don't know whay you and others get your shorts all hiked up when someone asks about an eagle and I or someone else points out the potential of very serious rust.

yes it is true I am not a fan of the eagle......save the early kassborer eagles but my mention of rust is a public service announcent.....If you read all my posts I post about MCI Rust area issues as well as Flxibles as well.  Most GM Rust issues are either in the air beams or very obvious skin cancer on later buses 06 and after.

Most people do not search archives on boards...thus the rehashing

As for people leaving the board because of the rust topic......That is just Absurd......and juvinile on thier part.  I have yet to find an Eagle owner that doesn;t know about it and aknowledge the issue.......however it seems that most people who come here asking don;t know squat about any particular brand.

Being one who has talked potential converters out of buying buses I have been selling that would clearly put a dollar or two in my pocket, I have no problem discussing the shortfalls of any make or model.

you don;t see be having fits when people say 4104's are underpowered.......other than saying that the engines are probably tired.....and comment on the performance of my former 04....which I would put up against anyones 8v-71

anyway......for those sensitive bird owners......you know what my comments will be....DON"T READ THEM if it is going to make you feel bad or cry.

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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2008, 08:39:38 AM »

Guys, just a casual observation, and not to discount my appreciation for the info that has been shed on the Eagle brand, but I think we digress.
  Rust certainly can be an issue on all rigs, some are more prone to it than others (due to material choice, area of the country the rig came from, etc.), as may be the case of the Eagle. Particular areas to look at are always helpful, but rust is not really what I was asking about.
 I think all brands have their highs and lows, underpowered? overheat issues? steering faults, etc. These are the types of issues I was more interested in and I think are more pertinent than rust, which may be painfully obvious. (Not to understate the serious nature of cronic rust).
  We have a wealth of knowledge here about many brands, and sharing it is a big part of what this venue is all about. It keeps me checking in several times daily and happy to participate on the action. Lets not lose sight of that.
  FWIW, I never met a bus I didn't like, maybe some more than others.
Thanks again for the responses, and I get it to take a look for rust.
Doug
 
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2008, 08:53:14 AM »

I think that the issues surround most busses are discussed fairly even around here, but the Eagle rust issue always strikes a nerve.  Maybe some feel that it gets overstated.  I really like the Eagles and looked at a few of them, had I not been prewarned of the rust issue I may have bought one.  The ones that were in my price range had issues so I passed.  I ended up with a GMC New Look which has its own issues.  Mostly engine/tranny combos (6v71 & VH-9) and no storage bays.  I decided that I could live with those things and bought the thing.  I would like to add that it does not bother me to listen to the criticisms either (not that I have received a bunch).  In the end it is mine and I do it for me.  Information is knowledge.
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2008, 03:08:02 PM »

I didn't want to get into this but was forced to do so. 
I have a 1968 Eagle that is #7600.  I have owned it for 21 years and have put 172,000 miles on the Coach.  That is more than most ten of you have put on your buses.  I took mine to the core before it was converted and replaced all the bad steel.  I have had 3 engines in it during this time and it has been on some of the worest rodes in this country, Mexico and Canada.  I drive lots of other buses, they all rust when they get old.
If I were going to convert another one it would still be a Eagle.  That should say enough.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2008, 04:13:27 PM »

I'm just saying that every time an Eagle comes up you start slamming them immediately, you must have your panties in a wad and your shorts hiked up, you sure do get upset when an Eagle person asks a question, you bring up the rust issue.

I want to know how you get all your knowledge about buses when your 38 years old and you've been doing buses for 30 years.  When someone is buying an MCI or other buses you never seem to jump in about the rust, you just cut down the Eagles, I'm not saying anything bad about MCI's, or any other brands, yes we all have rust issues.
I'm just making a point.  I respect people who own all kinds of buses, that's their freedom of choice.

This is my last post on this subject lets all sit around the campfire, roast marshmallows and talk about other issues.
 

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2008, 05:20:09 PM »

  I don;t think I come accross as being angry or upset when Eagles or discussed.......seems like a defensive knee jerk reaction from the mother of an ugly baby....LOL and lets be honest...there are some ugly babies out there...and I am sure they are wonderful people and their mothers love them to no end.......but they are still ugly ( my politically incorrect statement for the week

HHMMMm 30 years of bus experience comes from being forced into child labor at age 8 (1978) for the Families Charter Bus business, In fact I probably have more time under a bus than most on this board

now if you overly sensative eagle guys would read my post in entirety ( not only the ones that relate to eagles, I do point out issues with other brands....unless they were already commented on.  Generally on MCI, Nick or someone beats me to the punch.....and unlike some people I generally read prior posts before replying as not to be redundant.

I forget if it was this board or the other but after my initial post on Flxible rust, I emailed the prospective buyer directly with a more in depth disclosure.

as for GM's.....My exerience started with the 4104 which my family purchased in 1977 and I just sold last year. with me personally owning it for the last 6.

As for the family, We have outright owned the following coaches in order:

GM PD 4104
GM PD 4107
GM PD 4903
Flxible Flxliner restoration
Flxible Flxliner Rebuild
Mack MV-620D Restoration
GM PD 4104
GM PD 4905
GM P8M4108A
MCI MC-8
GM P8M4108A
MCI 96A3

I have laid my hands on every one of these units.

Furthermore I have hands on experience in late model Prevost as well as MCI's.

As I said earlier.....when someone brings up eagle....their major flaw ( which most eagle owners admit to) is Rust.
Most people are not the type who want to by a vehicle of any type with a major rust issue.
There are a few who don;t care because they are OK with rebuilding from the ground up.....or doing major rebuilding.

MCI's do have rust issues:  Rear suspension structure
                                        Bulkheads on both sides of the rears
                                        Structure holding up the radiator blowers
                                        And yes the verticle members of the walls which is evidenced by wavy sides as well as a few other indicators.

now in all my years of being around buses Eagles are the only ones ( yes there have been several) that will rain rust when you give them love taps.

if you want to stop seeing me post about eagle rust...beat me to it.......or don;t read my posts.


Oh yeah, my Eagle experience:  Never owned one, and have never worked on one myself, have been under and around many just to loook, a neighboring comany we used to lease from operated Eagles, so I have their experience second hand,  there are several Eagles who used to get work done at the same place that does most of my maint today...one of which was asked not to come back because of it's condition (rust wise)

small Kudo to eagle on this last one:  despite being able to make rust rain anywhere on the bus.....it was said that this bus would motor down the highway like it was brand new......which is a testiment to the torsilastic suspension design.




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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2008, 06:02:04 PM »

It seems like forcing you into child labor seems to have interfered with your manners, you must have been bounced on your mothers knee too hard that you have to make such rude remarks.

I know I said that the other post was my last post, but when you attack my mother for ungodly, reason that needs to be addressed.  (Thats my  political statement of the month.)

As you have stated you are an expert on all those buses, but (as you stated you know nothing about an Eagle).

As in my last post I tried to end this on an up note, but you had to come back and be sarcastic,  so let's have a good night.


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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2008, 04:54:30 AM »

OK Guys, let's take a deep breath and slowly count to ten. This is getting close to flaming and you know that is not allowed.  Jack
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2008, 05:28:57 AM »

What I read! This Eagle look great for a '68 coach...And I understand this guy. I am in the same situation (divorce) but my coach is payed. For the rust, my coach is a '82 and he has rust. It's not a problem. It's not major anyway. Find a coach in north america whitout rust is impossible. Winter is terrific for all vehicule drive on the road with salt and sand...As I cannot buy a ''new'' coach (recent) my coach do the job...with his rust...under the chassis.

(In december, I was in New Mexico for 2 weeks. My new girlfriend lives in Albuquerque. I saw on the I-25, exit 259, a beautiful Prevost parked a long side of the house. Is the owner participated on this forum? If yes...I would like sending him a message by e-mail...)
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 09:25:15 AM »

What the heck!!! Eagles have rust?Huh

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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 11:11:23 AM »

Le Mirage,

finding a rust free bus is not hard at all, you just have to know where to look and who to ask.  I have seen buses that have spent their entire commercial life in the rust belt and  didn;t have any corrosion worth metioning.

And you can certainly go to the south or southwest and find coaches with no corrosion.

you can also find many that are so bad off if inspected by DOT they would be deemed unsafe to operate on public roads.
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2008, 11:12:31 AM »

Pete, would you care tyo point out/quote my rude statements?

keep in mind being to the point and honest does not equate to being rude.
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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2008, 12:01:47 PM »

As a proud owner of my Eagle for 9 years I can say that anyone looking to buy an Eagle needs to be made aware of the possible rust issues. I knew about it going in, but also knew that I could make whatever repairs that I needed. If someone does not have access to a welding shop or can do their own welding, they need to inspect any Eagle very closely. Most of all of our damage was in the wheel wells and we have completely rebuilt all four (I have the single axle Suburban model Eagle). Also had to replace the bay area where the A/C units where located. I would want to know about any common issues about any bus I was thinking of purchasing especially if I was not prepared to do major work on it. I have seen several buses that were purchased and conversions built on a platform that was not stable or even safe. I am glad that I went into this hobby educated by those on these boards willing to share their experience. My money is too hard to come by.
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