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Author Topic: Prevost H5-60 Specifications and Pictures  (Read 12128 times)
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« on: February 12, 2008, 09:45:56 PM »

Anyone have a link to specs and/or pictures of the H5-60 bus, specifically pictures of the engine compartment and access.

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 08:28:25 AM »

While the H5-60 is an impressive site going down the road, it is 60ft long.  Trying to find a parking spot would be very limiting.  Some states won't allow them (California only allows 45ft'r with the articulating buses approved for commercial use only).  The engine used is a Detroit 8V-92TA with an Allison HT754CR 5 speed and is mid mounted behind the front axle.  I don't have pictures of the configuration, but have seen it.  I can only tell you that no mechanic likes working on it, and when you have to remove the engine for major work, it involves supporting the bus with stands and actually cutting out a couple of support beams that have to be rewelded back in place when the engine is re installed.  Up and beyond the fact that it is an impressive looking bus and is 60 ft long, it is an expensive pain the the butt bus to work on.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 09:26:30 AM »

Some states will allow the forward portion to be registered as a motorhome and the rear portion to be registered as a trailer.  This only applies to buses like the H5-60 with the engine in the forward portion.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 09:37:22 AM »

As TomC mentioned they are not legal in all states and KY is also one of those! KY does not allow any CLASS A BUSES and will not issue a CDL for one. (As a matter of fact it says right on the back of the KY CDL with a "P" endoresment except CLASS A!) FWIW!
And I am sorry I know that none of these 3 replies are what you were asking for but I don't have any pictures or spec's for one! However I have looked at several and even consider buying one for use in our charter service, but the first strike was the KY issue and second was as Tom mentioned anytime one shows up at a shop for engine work all the mechanics either call in sick or go on vacation!
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 09:50:13 AM »

There is one on the "E" marketplace right now.  That thing looks awesome!!
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 11:36:41 AM »

The H5-60 was not a sucess for Prevost,  Not only is the mill sort of hard to operate on the Articulation joint...as in all Articulated buses is the weak link.  And often it;s wear/planned failure is the reason for units to be retired from service.

I am not sure if it was the H5-60 or a transit Artic but a few years ago a replacement Articulation hinge was like 60k.

Most of these units that were produced spent the majority of thier life in Alaska and other Points North...and show thier harsh past
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2008, 04:09:52 PM »

The Prevost H5-60 was built by Prevost in Quebec Canada and sold for around $500,000 U.S. To our knowledge only about 50 of these coaches were ever built. 17 of them are owned by Grayline of Alaska which owns the largest fleet of H5-60's anywhere. They are an awesome coach to behold. They stand about 12' 6" in height and are 60' long. Up front there are two steering axles, about 30' back are two drive axles and a mid-ship engine. After the drive axles is an accordion articulation unit followed by the fifth axle. To improve cornering, the fifth axle automaticity counter steers based on the amount of articulation in the articulation unit. copied from an unknown blog source.

also found by googling are the following pics

http://www.busdrawings.com/coach/diversified/1031.jpg

http://www.busdrawings.com/coach/diversified/1031left.jpg

http://www.busdrawings.com/coach/diversified/1031r.jpg

links to more info/pics

http://www.rvtrader.com/rvdetail170518.htm

http://www.busfanplace.com/Prevostpart4.htm




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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 07:57:23 PM »

Thanks for the responses everyone.  Well, I agree with all of your points on the size and reliability of the articulation hinge.

I've always been interested in removing the rear section and just adding a 4 foot section on the back of the front section.  Basically, a 40 foot coach with 4 axles, 2 steers.  Could be interesting...
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 08:00:16 PM »

********I've always been interested in removing the rear section and just adding a 4 foot section on the back of the front section. *********

This would be a great project to extend the rear a bit and build a garage for vehicle or toy hauling - FWIW
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2008, 08:04:19 PM »

Yes, but not a lot of bay space with that extra axle in the way huh?

The rear section that was removed could possibly be transformed into a pull behind trailer for a vehicle and extra storage.... I need to just go to bed.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2008, 02:07:50 AM »

If it's of any use, there are some schematics and photographs of the equivalent Neoplan Jumbo Cruiser and Car-o-tel articulated coaches on this page:

http://www.jumbocruiser.com/photos/

As it happens, Neoplan evidentally had the same idea as you and replaced their articulated models with the quad-axle Megaliner:


(There was one of these for sale in the MAK classifieds quite recently I think)


Finally, use the links below to see a couple of photos showing other variations on the 'articulated bus' theme. (The photos are quite big, so I didn't want to display them directly in this post)

Bus 'trailer' behind truck:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Praha%2C_Hole%C5%A1ovice%2C_V%C3%BDstavi%C5%A1t%C4%9B%2C_N%C3%A1v%C4%9Bs_NO_80_II.JPG

Bus with double articulation:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Expresso_Biarticulado_Curitiba.jpg

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2013, 09:35:27 PM »

I didn't want to start a new topic just for this, but does anyone know anything about this bus?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/rvs/3914920781.html

I'm drooling right now.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2013, 09:49:30 PM »

I didn't want to start a new topic just for this, but does anyone know anything about this bus?

Phillip -

The very first red flag for me is the seller's comment that it's been parked for 5 years but has been started every month.  W/o driving the coach to put a load on the engine to thoroughly warm everything up, this fellow just accelerated the internal engine wear.

Another red flag is the length - you cannot legally register this as a "housecar" (RV) in CA because it's over 45' long.  Licensing it elsewhere would require extensive research of various state's Vehicle Codes, which may lead to excessive registration fees.

On one of the other busnut bbs's, it's been said that Prevost no longer has any of the articulating joints in stock, thus if you had problems, you'd be trying to find a part now made from unobtainium.

I'm drooling right now.

Better get a towel!

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2013, 03:49:22 AM »

I rode on one once in '06 after an Alaska cruise. Not a bad bus to ride on even though I was sitting toward the front and it seemed strange to hear the engine in that area. I wonder if there are any surviving examples that have been repowered by CUMMINS or DETROIT 4 cycle engines. Given the headache that Tom C described, would such a repower fit? Give PREVOST credit for taking a chance on a bus like that. Of course NEOPLAN USA tried it too and they are no longer.
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« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2013, 06:23:39 AM »

Yeah another concern of mine would be rust, seeing as how in almost surely came from the north.
My last bus turned out to be more of a rust bucket than I wanted to deal with.

I thought maybe someone on here was either the guy selling it, or had already gone to looks at it.
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2013, 09:08:07 AM »

Any of the 17 that were bought new by Holland America should be the best ones.  They were laid up in the winter and not used so were never operated in salt and have lower miles than the eastern Canadian cars ie. Orleans Express.  I have been around them in Alaska and followed them down the road to observe their handling.  Holland America and David Beagle devised a lot of their own fixes including repair/replacement of the fifth wheels. At one time David was considering repowering them with M11's.  Holland America Gray Lines was no stranger to excellent maintenance or repowers.  They repowered some of their MCI 102's with S50's.  I have always felt the H5-60 was an awsome machine and very well engineered and would love to have one in my collection.  This platform was the original of the H series coach that has been improved on so much over the years and in my modest opinion the H3-45 is the best bus on the market.  By the way, I have an original H5-60 sales brochure that has exploded views of the entire bus.
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2013, 09:19:52 AM »

I think I have a brochure on that one too. It's fun to look at brochures that I haven't touched for a decade or 2 so maybe I'll try to dig that one out.
Anyway. NEOPLAN USA had a transit "artic" that had the engine in the trailer section and I think NEW FYLER uses that design too. I would imagine that PREVOST thought of that idea since it would have been much easier to make repairs and more standardization. But I guess they thought the end result was the best way.
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2013, 09:50:18 AM »

Eagle also built 5 Super Golden Eagle artics for Continental Trailways.  One of them wound up being refurbished and put into service by AC Transit in the Bay Area after Trailways got rid of them and was operated in a test program.  Prior to that Kassborer built two earlier models that were operated by Continental, primarily on the Air Force Academy runs in Colorado.  Prior to that, Henry Kaiser built one artic in the late 40's that saw passenger service.

Wilson Bus Company in MA owns all the remaining Eagle artics and pieces except for one. They have managed to completely restore one, a beautiful job.  As far as I know the only other (I should say what's left of it) is still sitting at the old Green Tortoise yard in Lowell, OR.  I photographed it about 3 years ago.  After Continental service, some of them were converted into entertainers.
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2013, 10:18:54 AM »

Meh...Just remove the hinge, close up the back of the front bus and the front of the back bus and weld a hitch onto it. Now you have an unbelievably matching trailer for your awesome quad axle bus.

Someone has apparently converted one:
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 10:44:55 AM »

What is the guys name here that runs one for the veterans he doesn't seem to have a problem running state to state ? what is the legal length on a RV the truck converters are building a lot longer that 45 ft, 53ft is common with those now 
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2013, 11:05:08 AM »

What is the guys name here that runs one for the veterans he doesn't seem to have a problem running state to state ? what is the legal length on a RV the truck converters are building a lot longer that 45 ft, 53ft is common with those now 

Clifford I don't recall his name at the moment, but I know who your talking about.
He's from the Houston area he an I have talked quite a bit in the past when he was looking for a coach to build.

But just because he hasn't been pulled over or hassled yet doesn't mean it's legal.
Grayline in Nashville used to run several of those up through KY to Harrah's in Metropolis, IL on a daily basis and never had a problem.
But then one day a KY DOT officer found out they were considered a "class A" bus and not legal in KY as such and they no longer run them on that run anymore. (I have no clue if they still own them or not, as I haven't seen them anywhere in a while)
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