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« on: February 18, 2008, 06:53:03 AM »

This little antidote would have to fall into the category of what I would not-have-done had I been thinking.

In my house we started a tradition of giving the kids a "Mid-day present" on their birthdays. This is exactly as it sounds and is designed to occupy them until later, so they don't bug us to death.  (buying the young ones very advanced Lego sets, keeps them confused for hours.) Anyway, the day I removed the last bus seat just happened to be my daughter's birthday and we decided to gather and celebrate in the bus. Everyone scrambled around to find something to sit on and we gave her her 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle. A few hours later I decided to see how my bus drove with both tag axles pumped up so I yelled to my 17 yr old son to come-go-with. He got in and  started fooling around on this office chair (someone had brought in for the mid-day event) by  scooting up and down the bus like a hockey player. Everything was going fine, because I was learning that instead of timidly pushing the gas pedal down about half way and creeping along like a bloated cow, I should just cram that thing to the floor and the bus would actually go. I turned off the road into the new school complex to short cut back home.....He's skating, I'm cramming. As we approach the front of the new school (at about 30mph) I realize that that black paint stripe about 2 ft wide ain't a paint stripe. It's a giant speed bump........No.... more like a speed mountain. (incidental, you can tell the difference between a speed bump and a speed mountain because a speed mountain has had the peak of the mountain plowed off by all the cars that tried to get over it without scraping.) Well, of course I did what anyone who cared about their new bus with air suspension would do...I tested my emergency breaking skills without thinking about my son skating in the very back of the bus. I had my eyes on that speed bump but became aware of a rapidly approach sound from the back of the bus....Kind'a sounded like the sound you get when a large dog (who doesn't know any better) runs out onto the ice.... then tries to stop with legs splayed stiff and all claws engaged. Well, maybe it didn't sound exactly like that but I'm sure it LOOKED like that. He passed me going about 25mph.   Not really, but, only because I had had the foresight not to take out the stairwell partition.


This little experiment taught me that taking a trip with a bunch of lawn chairs (or office chairs ) that aren't bolted to the floor might not be that great of an idea. I know most of you have tried the "Steel tent" approach before you finished your conversion (just so you could have some early fun)....but what kinds of chairs and furniture did you use temporarily?

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Chaz

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2008, 07:25:12 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2008, 07:42:14 AM »

Super Yikes!  Shocked Shocked Shocked  Now it's not enough to kill yourself before you learn the basic lessons?  j/k (but kind of not)

[Soap Box Lecture]
This could have easily been a real tragic story involving your son getting an ambulance ride to the hospital with a head or back injury.  That would have ruined his life and permanently taken away any joy would ever feel with your bus.

You observed that you wouldn't have done this if you would have thought about it.  It is critical that you take time to think about safety or you will meet with tragedy very soon.  You have a great new toy that will give pleasure/frustration for years to come.  Please, I implore you.  Slow down and spend some time learning more about safe operation of your bus before proceeding.  It can be a lot of fun, but it is also over 12 tons (stripped out) of danger to you, your family and anyone on the road around you.  Again I urge, find a nearby busnut that you can spend some time with learning basic safety and some insights into conversion.
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I don't mean to be too harsh but we want to have you around here for a long time and right now you've got me worried about you being here next week.

And, you are right, unsecured chairs, or anything else (refrigerators, TV's, etc.), will be in the front with you in a real panic stop.  This happened at 25mph.  What if you are going 50+ and an idiot ahead slams on their brakes for no reason?  (happened to me).
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2008, 07:50:16 AM »

dont know if there is a way to find it online but Mythbusters did an episode where they placed items on the package shelf of a car and stopped it as if it was in a head on crash to see how much the items moving forward would impact the driver from behind. some of the really light stuff was not bad but the moderate to heavy (bowling ball) did some pretty bad damage.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2008, 07:53:59 AM »

Yup, what HTRN said.

Just because it stopped short at that speed, doesn't mean your brakes are right.

It could stop like that with only the fronts working. It will not stop properly from highway speed or stay in control down a big hill unless all the brakes are doing their share.

Report back on the applied pushrod stroke measurements for all your brake chambers, and that this bus builds and maintains air at least close to DOT specs please.

The whole hobby depends on each of us to stay out of trouble.
Trouble is where knee jerk government regulation comes from, and we don't need bad press.

happy coaching!
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2008, 10:57:15 AM »

The brakes feel pretty good....(My son knows they work pretty good) The coach was in service and inspected and passed last year. Not like it's been sitting around for 10 years or anything. The air pressure dial thingy says 120 pretty quick. And believe it or not my son wants to invent a new sport. OCBH   (office chair bus hockey). I'm sorry if my story offended or worried anyone. I will try to be more careful in the future and not relate any of the scary stuff if it happens. (My luck, I will probably lead a very boring life from now on and have absolutely nothing else to tell anyway.) My apologies.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 11:23:25 AM »

Never mind....

happy coaching!
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 11:28:54 AM »

Never mind....

happy coaching!
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No really.....I'm listening.....I'll try to be more careful....really.....I promise.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2008, 12:11:54 PM »

Keep the stories comming...chances are most of us have done something eaqually stupid in the past and, speaking for myself, its nice to know Im not the only one who does stupid stuff ! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2008, 03:22:06 PM »

Chaz,

I'm not suggesting that you lead a boring life.  I am all for you having fun with your bus and your family.  And of course your son thought it was fun.  Teenage boys love danger.  It's in their genes.  Too many of them die or become handicapped for life in the pursuit of thrills.  But you are the responsible adult (I hope).

I emphasize again, I really want you to enjoy this new adventure you've started.  I just want you and your family to be able to enjoy it for a long time.  Please just keep safety in mind and spend some time learning how to safely operate your bus so that you don't have to learn any of the really harsh lessons the hard way.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2008, 06:38:56 PM »

Chaz,

I'm not suggesting that you lead a boring life.  I am all for you having fun with your bus and your family.  And of course your son thought it was fun.  Teenage boys love danger.  It's in their genes.  Too many of them die or become handicapped for life in the pursuit of thrills.  But you are the responsible adult (I hope).

I emphasize again, I really want you to enjoy this new adventure you've started.  I just want you and your family to be able to enjoy it for a long time.  Please just keep safety in mind and spend some time learning how to safely operate your bus so that you don't have to learn any of the really harsh lessons the hard way.

Yes, Dad..... I'll do better ...I promise. Grin
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2008, 06:41:00 PM »

Thanks for the story man....as I was reading it I was thinking of all the responses that it was going to promote...

Come on, dude....you have been around this board long enough to know better than to tell a story like that...   Tongue

I like to hear about stuff like this....the stories about when you do something stupid and then realize that you just did something stupid.  HA!  Happens to me all the time.

But I'm not going to tell you what could have happened 'cause I'm sure you realized it as soon as you hit the brakes.  Besides, I'm pretty sure that you weren't looking to be taught about the dangers of life when you told your story.  I'll give you a little credit and assume you are smart enough to learn those on your own.  Wink

Anyways....stay safe and keep 'em coming brother.

 
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 07:12:34 PM »

That tops the game we had when we were kids. 

Parents had early 60's ford station wagon.  the one with the big round taillights.  was all metal in the back with the rear seat down.  we would ride back ther down independence blvd in Charlotte. seems there was a stoplight every 20 ft.  anyway there was sometime cardboard back there and at every red light we would ride it to the front seat, then ride it to the back when the light turned green. Smiley  I guess 40 ft and wheels would be much more fun,  until u fly out the wind shield.

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Come on, dude....you have been around this board long enough to know better than to tell a story like that...   Tongue


 

Like I always say....."what good is a story, if you can't tell it?

 Just think, by me sharing this event with you all.....I might be saving someones life. Who knows how many people as stupid as me might buy a bus....load up the relatives and the office chairs and rip down the highway without thinking of the consequences and send their whole family tree through the windshield? Now ,thanks to me, they will know better. All you experts would never have thought to warn them...... but I just did.


See how we can all work together? You tell them WHAT to do...and I'll tell them what NOT to do.

 And the nice thing about it is, I will probably be able to tell them all the things you would never even think of. You know, stuff like, "Hey man....those railroad ties you're trying to use as ramps would work a lot better if they weren't square on both ends".

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Like I always say....."what good is a story, if you can't tell it?

 Just think, by me sharing this event with you all.....I might be saving someones life. Who knows how many people as stupid as me might buy a bus....load up the relatives and the office chairs and rip down the highway without thinking of the consequences and send their whole family tree through the windshield? Now ,thanks to me, they will know better. All you experts would never have thought to warn them...... but I just did.


See how we can all work together? You tell them WHAT to do...and I'll tell them what NOT to do.

 And the nice thing about it is, I will probably be able to tell them all the things you would never even think of. You know, stuff like, "Hey man....those railroad ties you're trying to use as ramps would work a lot better if they weren't square on both ends".

Thanks.

Good point, and I love your sense of humor about it all.  I enjoy reading your posts too.  Just be careful "son".
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2008, 09:40:23 PM »

Chaz,

Keep it up man, most of these people have probably done similar things, they are just smart enough not to put them in print. LOL  However, I bet bus office chair ice hockey or whatever you called it is about 30 times safer than motocross racing or skateboarding -- or letting your kid ride in a car with a brand new 16 year girl driving a car too fast while putting on makeup and talking on a cell phone -- in the rain

personally i log on every nite to just see what you have done the previous day -- keep it coming -- perhaps you could go on the road the with the "git it done guy" -- i believe that he has a prevost coach converted by others. 

I suggested that you get a little knowledge about the air braking system on your bus -- but not to tell you what to do, because what a story that would be (when you got out of the hospital)  -- but only because you live close enough to me if your brakes fail it could be my wife's car in front of your 35,000 lb bus that will not stop --

i hate to mention this - but as i was doing my bus -- i had all the old windows out just metal frame -- turn a curve too fast and nearly rolled my brother over the side - was raising the front roof area structural frame to install new cap with a cutting torch -- looked down and managed to get 3 oily rags on fire that was laying on the dash, sitting in the middle of rags was a can of ether -- my ladder had the door blocked -- started yelling at my brother who was on the roof of the coach who then cut himself as he jumped from the roof into coach to extinguish the rags before the ether can blows up -- so when you are doing your caps take the ether cans inside --- LOL or not might make a better story ...

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2008, 10:23:05 PM »

Aw,D Parker.  Everyone has heard the urban legend myth of the guy raising the roof and gets a pile of oily rags caught on fire with a can of ether laying in there center.  Roll Eyes  COUGH>>>GASP>>> CRINGE Grin Grin Grin  You two must have personified the saying "A HOLES and ELBOWS".  Great story.

Chaz,

I too look forward to your every story.  Please don't stop.  I have done far worse but don't have your gift for telling a great story.  There is some measure of educational value but I am reading your stuff for the pleasure.  Some guys are deeper than others and trying to bring them to a narrow focus isn't really appropriate...they know better by now or they wouldn't be sharing this as humor.

Ok, look, I need to get more popcorn and kick back another knotch caus I see you have another post.  See you again in a sec.

Hope This Helped

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2008, 05:00:05 AM »

I think I remember two stories told on here, one the guy was stuck on a ladder putting his cap on and had to use is cell phone to call for help....while doing so, and the other was a well known nut.........working "under" his bus when it came down without injuries....I'm not a big poster but I do read everyday and do enjoy the stories and information....I've made mistakes too.......I had this really nice Smart Level.....digital.....it was just neat.......some dummy (me) left it on the trailer one day!.........I sure miss my level!   
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2008, 05:39:41 AM »

Teenage boys love danger.  It's in their genes.

LOL if it wasn't in his genes when he started his fast accent from the back of the bus, it most likely was in his jeans when he arrived at the front of the bus and with a slight odor. LOL good story and keep them coming. I am glad he's OK

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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2008, 05:51:25 AM »

Had a similar episode many years ago.  I was helping a friend convert a 4106. Bus was a shell with an unattached sofa being the only seating except the drivers seat. We needed to get fuel so the owner rode sitting on the sofa.  A car pulled out in front of us and I had to hit the brakes hard. Roy felt the sofa shift, raised his feet off the floor, and ended up almost beside me.  I have never driven a bus with unattached seating since that learning experience.  Jack
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2008, 07:08:02 AM »

My turn,
I picked up my bus in milwaukee, without any bus driving experience. I drove from there on a sat. to Elkhart IN. Went through Chicago without incident.
Arrived in Elkhart with a sunday to waste. Decided to pull the seats since I had nothing to do till monday. I tied the seats in a pile on one side of the bus just over the axles.
Went to the surplus places and got some furniture, appliances, and A/C x2.
Had to drive the bus home to Ark. on monday. Not much to tie to in a bus so the load was unsecured for the most part, except for the hogtied chair monster.
Coming through that horrible exchange in St. Louis I was going a bit fast. I came through without tipping the bus over only to have a jam immediately in front of me on the bridge.
Emergency stops in a bus are not good, they are really bad with all of that stuff coming forward at mach 1.
I didn't hit anybody, but when I pulled off at the next exit I had to climb up and out of the drivers area because of the twisted mass of seats.
Luckily I or anyone else wasn't hurt, but I did learn a valuable lesson.
Secure loads are safe loads.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2008, 07:38:09 AM »

Chaz,
Keep up your posts.  I learn something new with almost all of your posts.  We have also wondered about securing chairs and all of the other furniture for tin can camping.   Wink
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2008, 08:02:54 AM »

What really amazes me is how quickly I can get in trouble, just by reading posts, I read this one and quietly commented to libby that I had an idea for building a mother-in-law launcher, after that I made my own breakfast lol.
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2008, 08:28:02 AM »

Cody, There was a show a few years ago with people dressed up in dinosaur costumes and the lead roll was the father named Sinclair, and one show was called hurling day about when mother in law dinosaurs got to a certain age there son in laws got to hurl the mother in-law off a cliff and into a fiery pit. well poor Sinclair, his wife and kids didn't want old grandma hurled, but his boss had a video of his hurling day and show it to Sinclair to encourage him. They would watch it and listen to the old girl scream going down, and then they rewind it and listen to her scream coming back up and they'd laugh. It was funny as hell. Makes we wish we had that tradition here in America. Don't get me wrong my mother in-law was so mean to me that my wife would have wanted to help me hurl her @$# off the cliff.

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2008, 03:13:51 PM »

One thing I learned not to do is to stay in the house when your boys are going outside to do some welding on the bus.  When I came around the side of the bus, to my surprise there's my brand new air cushioned drivers seat with air lumbar, with a hole burnt in it, it was only two months old, they were welding the beams in over the chair to support the entertainment center.   They had the chair covered pretty good, but a spark bounced under the cover and started a fire. it burned the whole back of the seat out, I'm lucky my wife was able to salvage it, she reupholstered it,  still all and all it was a brand new seat and didn't need to be reupholstered.
CARELESSNESS AND BEING IN TOO MUCH OF A HURRY CAUSED IT.
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2008, 03:21:03 PM »

Naw....don't let all of us old coots wear you down.  The important thing is that no one was injured.  Your solution is obvious.  Just have everyone inside the coach wear....a....parachute!  Works for me....should work for you toooss.

And.....never start.....er....I mean thank you for sharing.  I know it was difficult.  Someday I will again share my experience with the summer nap....the wasp on the bedspread....the combat knife.....and the side window.  AUUGHHHH!  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2008, 05:29:11 PM »

Chaz,   

Great story, and don't you agree it's nice that folks around here actually do care about you?  I've got a few myself that have resulted in stickers under my window, however, I wasn't blatently screwing around at the time.  Check, if you can see the attachment, over my left shoulder......
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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2008, 05:37:07 PM »

......and your story got me to thinking, every once in a while, I drive around an empty airplane.  These things just scream skyward when they're empty....you can hardly hang on to them.   

Since we don't have passengers on board, the back is a rather large cavern, and we're tempted to go in the back and play the vomit comet - you know, making people float and all that.

Being the responsible adult that I am, however, I've never given in to the temptation....but thoughts of "Ya know.....I wonder if.......what would happen?......." are running through my head all the time.   Seems as time goes by, I give in less and less.

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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2008, 03:41:22 AM »

Pete - that'll Buff right out .... ;-]
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