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Author Topic: Holy Hockypucks, What a set of HOOTERS..  (Read 3658 times)
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« on: February 21, 2008, 02:17:59 PM »


These are Nathan P-5 Air Chime Locomotive horns that can be heard 5 miles away...
they number P-1 through P-5..  Grin Grin Grin 
I cant wait to BLOW these Hooters...

No bus yet, but I have the Horns... LOL...



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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2008, 02:20:04 PM »

Better get a Big compressor and an extra really big auxiliary tank!  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2008, 02:30:17 PM »

Better get a bus to put the large tank and compressor on first
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2008, 02:31:40 PM »

What you should do is mount that puppy on a Geo Metro!! Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 02:32:34 PM »

You can use those to blow the bad drivers right off the road.

What kind of bus are you looking for?  Do you know how much air they take?  What size air line etc?
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2008, 02:35:48 PM »

You can use those to blow the bad drivers right off the road.

What kind of bus are you looking for?  Do you know how much air they take?  What size air line etc?

Thay have a Half inch fitting but will work @ 90 to 150+ Im told..

I have a bus on Hold in Tucson, a 4106..

Paul...

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2008, 02:39:58 PM »

You can use those to blow the bad drivers right off the road.

What kind of bus are you looking for?  Do you know how much air they take?  What size air line etc?

Thay have a Half inch fitting but will work @ 90 to 150+ Im told..

I have a bus on Hold in Tucson, a 4106..

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Yup, they'll work on 90-150 psi... but that isn't Volume! which is measured in CFM.

Good Luck!  Wink

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2008, 02:49:29 PM »

I'll tell you...

An air starter tank would make a great reservoir to feed those monsters!

Seriously, you may want to be thinking about isolating those babies with a pressure protection valve, so the rest of the coach doesn't empty through them, if the valve should "stick open" too long.

You'd like to have enough air left to stop with!!!

happy coaching!
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2008, 03:33:42 PM »

Mount them backwards and use them as auxillary thrusters?  Smiley Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2008, 06:08:34 PM »

You'll need at least 3/4" air line to run these at all.  Below that they won't sound right, won't have much audible volume, and would be a waste of the roughly $1,000 that they are worth if new or in good working condition.

To provide enough air volume for at least a couple seconds or so of use, you will need a dedicated two gallon tank -- three to five would be better, and five would probably let you use 7/8" or 1" line as well.

The canonical way to add diesel chimes or ship's whistles to buses or trucks is to install the dedicated tank fairly close to the horns and plumb them with large diameter line, then run 3/8" standard DOT air line from your auxiliary tank or supply to the dedicated tank through a pressure-protection valve.  This last item will protect the rest of the air in your aux tank when you vent the horn tank to atmosphere through the chimes.

Bear in mind that these chimes are illegal to use in many, many states, and illegal to even have installed in quite a few (actual railroad locomotives follow a different set of laws).  The statute usually does not call out diesel chimes in particular, but is instead worded to prohibit "excessively loud" horns or horns over a certain output in dBA .  So you might think about installing them where they can not be seen by the casual observer.  FWIW.

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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2008, 06:24:25 PM »

Where's the NJT guys with their take out air starter tanks?

And you thought it was worthless!

happy coaching!
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2008, 06:39:47 PM »

Keep in mind the first time you blow them if there is a cop within that 5 miles youa re going to get a ticket
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2008, 07:11:31 PM »

Keep in mind the first time you blow them if there is a cop within that 5 miles youa re going to get a ticket

He probably won't have enough air for a long enough blast to allow the cop to pinpoint where the sound came from  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2008, 07:51:07 PM »

There was a nut up in the NW at a Eagle rally that had a set of these mounted on the top of his coach. I do not think he ever used them on the road. They were great for calling everyone when the chow was ready.

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« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2008, 08:21:48 PM »

The little air horn on my Dina is loud enough.  I couldn't imagine the noise from that big horn. I never even knew I had an air horn for a long time.  There was a button on the floor next to the dimmer swith that I had no idea what it was for.  My friend accidently stepped on it one day and we found out what it was in a hurry.

There is only one time that the air horn has ever been used on the road.  One day it was maybe 2 am going through a tunnel on I80.  The tunnel was empty so the driver blasted the ar horn a few times to hear the echo.  My friend who was way in the back had no idea why the horn was being blasted and came running up to the front in a panic.  He thought we were going to crash or something.
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2008, 10:12:32 PM »

I have two double truck air horns on my roof (17" and 15" for the first and cut the second down to 13" and 11") with two air  valves-one for each set of horns with a chain connecting the two.  Then I can either blow just the high two, the low two or all four together.  I also have a normal two tone electric horn.  If all fails, I have a push button next to the air horn chain for blowing my 4 chime Buell train horns designed for trucks.  They have plastic bells so they are not very heavy, and I have them mounted facing down just in front of the entry door.  VERY loud.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2008, 10:32:49 PM »

Pickle,

     Mount em, blow em, and sport em.  Sometimes we just gotta do things just cause its cool!! Cool  Cool

                       Remember, do it YOUR WAY cause no other way will suit you.

                   
     I want a set to mount just behind the front passenger tire just for the idiots that want to pull up on my right side when its clear that I have every intention of turning right. Grin  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2008, 11:56:40 PM »

i have a set of 5 chime nathan on one of my big trucks -- i have another set that i intend to place on my bus... like has been stated i intially hooked them up to the air line 1/4 that goes to the factory air horn -- while they sounded ok -- they really started to sound like something when i plumbed a 1/2" air line directly off the main tank thru a 1/2" solenoid air valve -- i then place a two position toggle switch that i labeled city and train - so if you push the city horn button on the steering wheel you can get the sound you want and then the "legal" air horn is still on the chain... (durring truck inspections at the weigh stations they sometimes require you blow your city horn) if you blow them for like 25 seconds the air pressure will drop to 60 psi -- and that is on a semi which has several large tanks for support the trailer and truck -- so i added a pressure switch to interupt the valve at 90 psi -- have fun -- very illegal in my state and the absolute thing to blow if you really want someone to get out of your way -- but great fun -- i placed mine in battery box on the passenger side of the truck -- still LOUD -- have fun -- do not blow them on the in field at Talladega - they will ask you to leave ... do not ask me how i know ....lol

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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2008, 05:05:40 AM »


 Pickle,

  I have a brass 2 horn setup in the compartment under the drivers seat with only a 3/8 hose from
 the air tank that is there.
 
  1. I can control the loadness by how far I open the valve.
  2. A short burst doesn't drain the tank About 10 lbs drop.

 Enjoy but just remember they can be load enough to scare a driver and if a wreck insues you
 could be responsible. Caution as told to me by the PO Smiley

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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2008, 09:01:50 AM »

Hi Guy

 I don't have big air horns on my bus but I have them at work on  this locomotive , lots of air.

Locomotive Engineer Gary 
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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2008, 01:44:20 PM »

I put 2 sets of train horns on my 9,
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=352.msg2760#msg2760
1/2" air line is just enough. Smiley Wink Grin Cool Cool Kiss
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2008, 09:29:56 PM »

My MC5a has the original air horn beneath the driver,  It is disconnected but it is functional.  Must it be plumbed from a dedicated tank or could I use any available supply?  I also have two long ones on the roof, but I haven't found any way to fire them up, so I think they are disconnected also.
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2008, 09:25:56 AM »

My MC5a has the original air horn beneath the driver,  It is disconnected but it is functional.  Must it be plumbed from a dedicated tank or could I use any available supply?  I also have two long ones on the roof, but I haven't found any way to fire them up, so I think they are disconnected also.

You shouldnt need anything special for eithwer unless you Blow all of them at once..
Im going to put in an Extra 50 gallon  or so air tank for those monsters..  Grin


Of course, I'll need a Bus first..  Sad
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2008, 09:36:12 AM »


You shouldnt need anything special for eithwer unless you Blow all of them at once..
Im going to put in an Extra 50 gallon  or so air tank for those monsters..  Grin


One site that sells the air chimes also sells an air system to support it. That system uses two 5 gallon tanks and a Viarr (sp?) compressor.  So I would presume that a 10 gallon tank should do it.  Of course you could install the separate air system anyway so that you could blow them even when the bus wasn't aired up.
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2008, 12:04:10 PM »

I have 2 pairs of air horns and a 4 note train whistle. Air horns are supplied with 3/8" air line from the OEM accessory tank and controlled by electric solenoids. Train whistle is supplied with 1/2" air line from a separate tank and controlled by a 1/2" ball valve. I can blow all horns for a 5-10 second blast with only about a 10 PSI pressure drop. The OEM horn switches in the steering wheel are now labeled "EMERGENCY ONLY". Hitting this switch activates both pair of air horns plus a pair of electric horns. Hit the steering wheel switch with my right hand and pull up on the ball valve and you get a whole lot of horn.  Jack
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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2008, 12:35:49 PM »

Guys,

I am so very impressed with all this Air Horn equipment.  Never saw the likes.  Super will install a 50 GALLON AIR TANK for just his horns?  How do you spell "in touch with reality?" Grin Grin Grin  See now, I am just jealous that I don't have this much imagination(?).

Don't think I'm not into noise, however.  I blew my "double" air horn installation's worth on day at a de Ville that just wandered into my lane for no apparent reason other than a death wish.  That huge Sedan just started gyrating between the lines like it was bouncing off them and then the turn signal went on and the white haired driver moved over.  All his windows were up and I'm, sure the AC was humming in his slightly limo ride.  Great stuff those air horns.  Cost me $25 per set for a $50 investment that was worth that one use.  The only other time I blew them in frustration was in a parking garage.  Four women were walking down the center of the ramp and chattering while I crept along behind them for at least half the length of the ramp.  My date kept saying "Please don't blow those air horns, John".  No deal!  one small short blast and the way was clear.  In both of these instances I was driving a Datsun 240 Z...not a bus.

On my S&S I installed those cheapy plastic horns but ran them off of my air tank and regulated them to 95 pounds.  They were directed out the passenger side at knee level.  Every single person that I demonstrated them to had the same exact comment...."you are going to hurt someone with those, John".  Never in 6 years needed to blow them although I would have been justified in more than a few circumstances.  They usually run at a deafening pitch on less that 30 PSI.  I learned that they exploded at 105 PSI.  Don't ask how I know that.  Got more tho.

I now have those horns mounted in the front and out the R side on two separate buttons.  Won't use them in any situation where the other guy's safety has fallen to zilch concern because of my own comming to the fore. Shocked Shocked Shocked Grin

Happy horning everyone.

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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2008, 02:17:28 PM »

Miss Lazy gets all over me for this, but I really love to blast those big hooters in one of the tunnels on the WV turnpike. Still a little kid I guess.

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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2008, 02:20:28 PM »

Yup, nothing like a long blast on the air horns through those WV tunnels at O'Dark:30 to keep everyone alert!

Direct drive to Florida for Spring Break, switch at Wytheville, so a little perkin' up at that point is required!
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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2008, 03:23:43 PM »

I think it was Jack who said this.
Put an electric solenoid valve on each individual trumpet and hook them to your laptop and play music.
That would be way cool.
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2008, 04:08:38 PM »

The neighbours would love the "tuning" that would be required to get it just right...

And of course, practice of the new musical instrument would be a given...

happy coaching!
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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2008, 11:48:42 PM »

Yup, nothing like a long blast on the air horns through those WV tunnels at O'Dark:30 to keep everyone alert!

Direct drive to Florida for Spring Break, switch at Wytheville, so a little perkin' up at that point is required!

Back when I was trk'n I had a set of 4 trumpet train horns mounted hidden under the cat walk behind the sleeper. I used to drop my trailer at Coors in Boulder, CO and take a short cut over to Georgetown/Empire Easter Seals Handicamp  where my sis & BIL lived.(sis was camp cook) Well there was a loooonnngg narrow tunnel (several tunnels but the fun one was the long narrow one! LOL!) that I would turn of my head lights and use my spot light (mounted @ the top of the windshield post) to see, then I lay on the train horn. More than once I'd see cars on the other end of the tunnel disappear, only to find them sitting outside the tunnel as I came out looking at me funny while usually giving me the bird! LOL! Once I got pulled over just as I was about to my sister's house, and he kept asking me to blow my air horn. So I kept blowing the stock (whimpy) freightliner air horn, he kept looking, listening, and shaking his head. Then I heard him telling dispatch (or someone) over the radio "must be a different truck, ain't no way this one could be mistaken as a train!" When he let me go I laffed so hard I almost pee'd on myself! I was still laffing when I pulled in at the camp and gave a small toot toot, announcing my arrival (all the staff was used to the and would do the hand signal for them as I'd come in!) My BIL came out laffing and told me he'd just saved my butt, by calling his secretaries husband (the county sherriff) and telling them the trucker they had pulled over was his BIL. Wasn't long until the deputy, and the sheriff came by(@ the camp) and were laffing and asked me to show them the real train horns. I had a lotta fun with those horns, and I got cussed quite a few times over them too! I was really obnoxious with them when I found truckers (or anybody) pulled over and sleeping in unsafe places like exit ramps! Many times someone would get on the CB cussing "that damn chicken trk! LOL!" after I went by laying on those horns a few feet from them!
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