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« on: February 23, 2008, 08:20:31 PM »

This post is for a reference of a current asking price.

RV 40' 1978 MCI 9 Bus conversion with slide out and raised roof - $49k  OBO!

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rvs/582534013.html

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http://www.arizonasuperads.com/Motorhomes_and_RVs_Classifieds_3_MCI9_Conversion_C506A78574P1/index.aspx

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2008, 09:22:17 PM »

man someone ought to snatch that up......

Supprisingly (said with sarcastic tone), no mention of generator or mileage, something anyone would want to know.

Would be interesting to see the quality of the slide install and other things.

providing it is in good shape will make someone a fine buy

Donlt think that is a good representation of the market though.....unless something is wrong with it or...they need to sell it
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 09:56:12 PM »

Some of those thoughts ran through my mind to.

Regardless, it is what it is.
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2008, 10:20:43 PM »

After watching prices for the past several years I have noticed a sharp decline in the asking prices over the past several months. I also think we are only seeing the beginning of this trend.  I believe there are many factors contributing to this. Maybe a lot of bus conversions donít look professional enough for todayís RV buyer; they might want more bells and whistles. Fuel prices might be a factor, the credit crunch, fear of a recession, etc. How many other things might be contributing to it? What do you all think? Has anyone else noticed this? Looks like it will be a great year for buyers and will leave a lot of sellers crying.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2008, 11:06:13 PM »

RV sales have dropped a bit but not as much as I would have expected.....so I doubt it is fuel costs....

I do think the RV buyer is not impressed by alot of home conversions as they are dazeled with some very nice looking but POS sticks and staples at shows......with attractive new RV financing...remember we are a society of people living on credit.

also, when you drive around town next time...take a gander at how many cars are newer vehicles.......trend has gone away from driving older but still reliable cars....and getting new ones every 4-8 years.  this has probably grown since the popularity of the lease and certified preowned cars from manufactueres.

I also think alot of people are just not aware of the Converted coach market.

additioanlly, I think the Used coach market as far as shells is frought with alot of run out rode hard put away wet stuff...

alot of little stuff factors into it.......but I think the majority of it is generally when someone puts their converted coach on the market...it's because they have or are going to buy a replacement (they need to sell it), they are getting divorced or a spouse passed away ( they need to sell it), they are sick of it ( generally unfinished projects) ( again they need to sell it) so on and so forth.

if you need to sell something you often just keep dropping the price until you think you have enought traffic looking at it.


I always find it interesting when something that is not so nice of a conversion, beat up body, rusty, crappy paint, with a worn out motor...brings 2-3 times what it is worth......while just up the road is something that needs nothing for 10k more....perhaps there is some invisble price barrier.

I think the key is to have it for sale when you don;t NEED to sell it.

I had my 04 for sale fro several years......didn;t cost me anything but my parking spot fees.....so I didn;t need to sell it.....even after I got my MC-8...why would I want to?  It gets better gas mileage, ran like a raped ape ( would regularly pass newer coaches with 350+ HP with my lil ol 6-71) I was intimate with it having worked on it since I was 7 years old (38 now), better than 30 years in the Family and was about as perfect as you can find a 4104........but along came someone and gave me my asking price (54k) with no haggle after looking at more than 100 not so nice coaches that were much cheaper

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2008, 03:49:38 AM »

Here is a different view.  Early on my wife liked the idea of a RV.  Bathroom, kitchen, own bed, etc.  Then she had an epiphany.  My budget was $40,000 + $100/mo storage + fuel/maint.  All of a sudden she decided with that kind of money, that represents a bunch of exotic vacations all over the world.  Flying and staying in swanky hotels.  She quickly cooled on the RV idea.   

So here I sit still wanting a bus but I guess I will have to wait until retirement and I can do my own thing. 

I did look a number of buses and so many were poorly constructed home conversions.  I'd rather buy a clean newer RV for the same money and do as Takebird suggests, " just keep it running for a few years" and ditch it.   But deep down I prefer a real bus!
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2008, 04:11:34 AM »

Dave,
Don't give up on finding the perfect bus!!  There are some real gems for the price.  You just have to keep looking - sometimes it can take years - and you will find what you are looking for, because by then you'll be able to spot the real "diamond in the rough"

Welcome to the board!

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So here I sit still wanting a bus but I guess I will have to wait until retirement and I can do my own thing. 


Are you planning on leaving her when you retire?   Grin

A lot of spouses start out opposed, but in time warm up to the idea of at least an RV.  For one thing, after a couple of "exotic" vacations, I think that fascination is fulfilled.  Also, major exotic vacations take a lot of planning and time away.  With an RV you can have spontaneous weekends away whenever you want in addition to the vacation use.  Once acclimated to having an RV, then you can take her to a rally and get her hooked on the idea of a bus conversion.
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2008, 08:14:52 AM »

Here is a different view.  Early on my wife liked the idea of a RV.  Bathroom, kitchen, own bed, etc.  Then she had an epiphany.  My budget was $40,000 + $100/mo storage + fuel/maint.  All of a sudden she decided with that kind of money, that represents a bunch of exotic vacations all over the world.  Flying and staying in swanky hotels.  She quickly cooled on the RV idea.   

So here I sit still wanting a bus but I guess I will have to wait until retirement and I can do my own thing. 

I did look a number of buses and so many were poorly constructed home conversions.  I'd rather buy a clean newer RV for the same money and do as Takebird suggests, " just keep it running for a few years" and ditch it.   But deep down I prefer a real bus!

I got a 12 - year loan on mine and it is treated like second home at taxtime,  mine was also 100%,  so i didn't shuck out a bunch of cash upfront. 

Go to rv show and  look at the crappy 100K stick and staple, then swing by the car dealer ship and look  at new vehicles in 40 k range.  Once shes going for that , bait-n-switch,  I d rather have a bus and the impact is less.

my wife ignored it for a while then figured out it wasn't going away and then bought into getting a bus
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2008, 09:52:12 AM »

There have been a lot of people living beyond their means and they have lived it up with easy credit. There are houses, cars, boats, RVs, that are all being sold as distress sales. I see more and more of them everyday. We are only seeing the beginning of it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2008, 10:40:58 AM »

Barn Owl,

  Don't disagree at all.......it is a lot easier to do now days.

 So Did the government and big business teach people to live beyond their means or
 are they providing what the people want or did we vote people in who see no problem
 in the government over spending.............

   Once your money is no good then what?  garage sale at the Smithsonian?

    Actually a bigger cancer than I want to discuss(brains for).

   I just pray our family here is safe and hopefully have the ability to snatch up the good deals Smiley

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2008, 11:17:06 AM »

Not being a structural engineer, how did they chase the load around the wheel well? Also I see no braceing in the A/C compartment?
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2008, 12:36:19 PM »

Here is a different view.  Early on my wife liked the idea of a RV.  Bathroom, kitchen, own bed, etc.  Then she had an epiphany.  My budget was $40,000 + $100/mo storage + fuel/maint.  All of a sudden she decided with that kind of money, that represents a bunch of exotic vacations all over the world.  Flying and staying in swanky hotels.  She quickly cooled on the RV idea.   

So here I sit still wanting a bus but I guess I will have to wait until retirement and I can do my own thing. 

I did look a number of buses and so many were poorly constructed home conversions.  I'd rather buy a clean newer RV for the same money and do as Takebird suggests, " just keep it running for a few years" and ditch it.   But deep down I prefer a real bus!

Dave,

Feel free to use my experience in world traveling to let your wife know that $40k is not going to do very much toward extravagant world travel. My wife and I have been overseas 7 times in the past 4 years. We just returned from 16 days in Egypt. The entire cost of the trip, including airfare, hotel, Nile cruise, tours of the pyramids and other Egyptian sites, food.. and the minimum amount of gifts we bought for family was just over $30k!!! Granted this was a top of the line trip with no expenses spared, but of all of our other trips not one of them came in much under $20k. And you said exotic trips. Exotic means more expensive.

So you might get 2-3 good overseas trips for the money you planned to spend on your bus... Or a lifetime of enjoyment from a bus. If it's one or the other - take the bus. It's more bang for the buck.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2008, 04:21:15 PM »

Not meaning to preach but the real issue is whether SWMBO buys into the dream.  Absent commitment from both partners any lifestyle choice as major as RVing is doomed to failure.  An RV is a small space - if two people are going to live comfortably in that space they need to both want to be there.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2008, 04:25:38 PM »

<<<< An RV is a small space >>>>

But there are 2 things with each coach that makes close quarters pallatable - 1) a 'family room' as big as North America, and 2) a couch when the 'family room' is too cold, hot, or wet!
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2008, 04:37:16 PM »

Not meaning to preach but the real issue is whether SWMBO buys into the dream.  Absent commitment from both partners any lifestyle choice as major as RVing is doomed to failure.  An RV is a small space - if two people are going to live comfortably in that space they need to both want to be there.


"And if momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!"

Very true point.  The key however is that she really does change her mind and catches the RV or bus conversion bug.  But if she doesn't like the idea and only goes along with it because you want it, then your chances for being a happy camper are much diminished.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2008, 05:17:41 PM »

Well, you could always try my approach. Go buy a rusted out bus that isn't worth the the rivets holding it together and then let it sit in the back yard for 8 to 10 years. When she ask you if you are ever going to do anything with it. You tell her as soon as you can get to it Roll Eyes. When you find  Shocked "the diamond in the rough" Tell her "this one is complete or almost complete and we will take our first vacation just as soon as we get it home Wink." Mine took to it hook line and sinker. It might not work for you but man did it work for me Grin !!!
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2008, 07:21:50 PM »

Getting back to the original listing-that bus was for sale last year for the same price and willing to look at offers. No genny, they only park hop I was told. PP
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2008, 07:44:10 PM »

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Do they not know how to market themselves out of a wet paper bag, or is something wrong with that bus? Not having a generator is a handicap but if their OBO is good enough I wouldnít think that would be too big of a stumbling block. Definitely need better photos all around. Would like to see more of the mechanicals. One would hope with those kind of major modifications everything was done right and they didnít skimp in other areas.
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2008, 08:00:29 PM »

Not having a generator seems so foreign to me, but some people are perfectly ok with it. My in-laws did the FT RV thing for 10yrs without one. They were park hoppers and didnít feel the need to have one and all that goes with it; maintenance, space, costÖ..

Still, what a bummer. Sad
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2008, 07:58:15 AM »

Not having a generator seems so foreign to me, but some people are perfectly ok with it. My in-laws did the FT RV thing for 10yrs without one. They were park hoppers and didnít feel the need to have one and all that goes with it; maintenance, space, costÖ..

Still, what a bummer. Sad


We've been full timing for 7 months in my bus.  I still haven't installed a generator or house battery bank.  We too have only been staying at parks with 30-50 amp power and haven't missed a genset at all yet.  I still plan to put in a genset and house batteries, but this experience has moved them quite a ways down on my priority list.
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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2008, 08:50:27 AM »

Not being a structural engineer, how did they chase the load around the wheel well? Also I see no braceing in the A/C compartment?

First of all there no picture of A/C compartment but does show the right side bays. Unless I am missing another picture.

I agree about structural concern. The only way they can regain structural strengths is either by trusses connect beginning at first diagonal point before the leading bottom slide-out open hole. Such as about 12" or more ahead of opening, depend the construction size of the beltline.
The picture of leading side-out opening beginning directly above front of front wheel is an indication of incomplete trusses.
So the only other way is to incorporated a wide (about 24") heavy gage steel contour plate to roof's curve with over lap length to connect the said diagonal points on both end.

Otherwise it a weak bus.

JR MCI-5...your bus has that heavy gage steel contoured plate over your mid door entrance.

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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2008, 11:06:36 AM »

 Hey Jerry, I do not have the background to condem the bus, it just looks like a poor or weak structural design. I would want a highly qualified engineer to go over it befor I made an offer.
 Nope never mind it don't look rght, I'd trust my instincts and walk away.
 
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« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2008, 11:13:47 AM »

Sojourner,

 
although there is no direct photo of the A/C bay you can clearly see the back bulkhead of the compartment in the front 3/4 view of the bus ( front and Driver's side)  if there was much of anything in there it would be visible IMHO.

could be some little 1500w honda or something sitting in there though.
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« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2008, 08:27:09 PM »

I emailed the address in the ad on Sunday afternoon and 24 hours later I have not heard anything. I was going to request more photos and ask a few questions. Like "who did the slide?" It looks funky to me. With the roof raise and roof top airs that thing must be about 13 feet tall!
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« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2008, 09:11:50 PM »

The fun thing about the bus that I don't think you get with an RV is the little moments.

 We slept a nite at the Magic Mountain Walmart lot last week. I took the dog out about 11AM (slept late) and noticed 4 different people leaning on their fenders staring at my bus and drooling. The 5th guy, (old guy), drove his new Caddy right up , stopped and started telling me about the 3 class C's he owned when he lived on the Oregon Coast.

I drove the kids over to Magic Mountain and they "comp'd" me a free admission for driving in the Bus 2 days in a row. (Driver Pass).

The kids get asked all the time if they are in a band, and now they are trying to sell my autograph for laughs.

Last time I went to the World of Outlaws, they looked me over and parked me right beside Sammy Swindell!

I ran some Snow, Ice, and Wind thru Shasta, nite before last, (big storm). I'm still smiling, the ol bus just tore it up and loved it. What else is there to say?
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2008, 11:09:52 PM »

It has been relisted with a link to more photos:

RV 40' Bus conversion with slide out and raised roof - $49999

http://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/rvs/598267932.html

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MCI9 is a 1979 GM
4spd Automatic
Power Steering
Air Brakes/ Air Ride
40 Ft
8V71
145 Gallon Fuel Capacity

1 Roof air in Living area
Wired in Bedroom for 2nd Roof Air
13,500 BTU watt Central Ducted Heater
Cozy World 3 Cinder Block heater in Front By entrance
No Generator, It does have area in back by motor for one

Raised roof (9inches)
Large 3x13ft Slide out in Front living area (Pics)
Tinted Dual pane windows with Screens
Fantastic Fan in Kitchen
Roof Fan in Bathroom

4000 Watt inverter with Battery charger built in
150 Gallon holding tanks (Clean- Grey - Black)
3 way switch over box ( shore power - inverter -Generator) No generator, but ready for one

2 open bays for storage
1 with holding tanks and batteries

Original Dash
New Driver and Passenger Leeather captain charis
couch with queen hide a bed
burgandy recliner
2 seat dinette corian
Solid oak thru - out coach
side x side refirgerator
full size house stove converted to Propane
Double sink w/ water filter
hard wood floor in kitchen and bathroom
Bathroom has Porcelin toilet
vanity cabinet
mirrored closet
Full size Shower
Bedroom has queen walk around bed
Full mirrored closet with TV inside

27inch tv in front with surround sound
Heated Mirrors
Back up Camera

Possible trades/ If interested call 971-239-3702 or email Sherryp2902@aol.com

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