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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2008, 12:19:37 PM »

Jeremy, you have not been keeping with the news, OPEC has been dumping the dollar for over a year, the first was Kuwait, (our friends) they went to a "basket" currency over a year ago and the rest of OPEC is following the lead. I also think the
US has made its own problems by printing dollars like it was coming out of a fire hose
with no value behind it to support this stupid war.>>>Dan
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2008, 12:43:31 PM »

Interesting take on it.

If you own the country, you own the oil.

Is this "stupid war" really that stupid?

If we suck the life blood out of the country we have "liberated" will it drop oil prices? Probably not. The main reason is that the PTB's have a hold on the scrotum of the world. The scrotum of the world is OIL, just like it was for China in the 1920's and 1930's, and was for Japan in the 1930's until now.

If you really think a free market economy is going to solve your problems... think again.

The same fellas that had the power during the crash of 1929 will still have the power of 2009/8/10/11/12.

History repeats itself, before the "Black Friday" of '29, the US was the most powerful economic force in the world. Is it any different now?

At this point, we have almost decided to keep our GMC PD4103... fuel mileage is twice what it would be with an MC9 plus even if we pulled a 16' box trailer, we could count on losing maybe 1-2mpg in fuel mileage...still way above what our 9 could deliver.

Jeremy, you have not been keeping with the news, OPEC has been dumping the dollar for over a year, the first was Kuwait, (our friends) they went to a "basket" currency over a year ago and the rest of OPEC is following the lead. I also think the
US has made its own problems by printing dollars like it was coming out of a fire hose
with no value behind it to support this stupid war.>>>Dan
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2008, 12:53:48 PM »

ANSWER.

WAR...KILL People, let people starve..etc etc..allow plagues.....it is all how nature works, Europe was much better off post plague than just prior to it.

problem is as with most natural issues....people are doing not natural things.

if we as americans would keep only our own interests in mind rather than sending shitloads of moiney to third world nations that don;t offer us anything we would be better off.

as for price......it's only going to go up.....no doubt about it.

maybe it will go up enough people will stop taliing about showhorninbg big motors in buses not designed to have big motors....LOL
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2008, 01:14:07 PM »


maybe it will go up enough people will stop taliing about showhorninbg big motors in buses not designed to have big motors....LOL

Naw, they just keep telling themselves that their driving habits won't change and so their mileage won't change.  Except their whole reason for wanting more power is to keep up speed on hills, get up to speed faster and humiliate an occasional competitor.  But wait, they forget, those are the driving habits that will drink more fuel.

Back in the day, I hated the 55 speed limit.  I even sported one of those "Can't Drive 55" logos on my 'vette.  But now that I have sufficiently run the teenager out of my toe, I have to concede, there are big savings to be had at 55.  The difference between 55 and 70 in many vehicles can be 25% or more.  So, before giving up on a bus, try slowing down, accelerate slower and decelerate slowly in advance of stopping.
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2008, 02:17:21 PM »

The point is that many parts of the world (China, India, Japan, South Korea etc.) are using so much more of the earth's resources than they were even a few years ago and growing exponentially.  Other nations may only be a few years behind.  I think the world is looking at a major readjustment and it's going to happen fairly soon.  Maybe not in my lifetime but certainly the kids and grandkids are looking at a different world.

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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2008, 03:00:46 PM »

The point is that many parts of the world (China, India, Japan, South Korea etc.) are using so much more of the earth's resources than they were even a few years ago and growing exponentially.  Other nations may only be a few years behind.  I think the world is looking at a major readjustment and it's going to happen fairly soon.  Maybe not in my lifetime but certainly the kids and grandkids are looking at a different world.

Len

I agree.  This is just the tip of the iceburg.  When the third world countries come fully into their own, no fuel based energy source will be sustainable, or even practical.  I tend to think the only sustainable energy solution is going to be electricity from solar and geothermal sources, supplemented by wind and tidal generators.  But in order for that to work, there are going to have to be exponential increases in the efficiency of both the solar panels and energy storage. 
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2008, 03:04:23 PM »

We're going through an energy revolution which is every bit as confusing and distressing as the Digital Revolution and the Industrial Revolution before that.

To get back on topic, "No, you shouldn't give up your dream"  As far as I can tell (reports from the other side being inconclusive) we need to make the most of our one trip around on this earth.  If your dream is a bus then make it happen.  I'm sitting here looking at the mountains to the west of me and horse pasture to the north, in my bus at 50 years of age.  Two years ago I had a bunch of staff, non-stop headaches, a banker looking over my shoulder and shareholders bitching every which way from Sunday.  I didn't sell out for any pot of gold - a better description would be "I got out before the bank got me".  

At the same time my wife's entire department was eliminated.  She made it work and I made it work and we're living the dream that we have had for more than 12 years now.  Was it easy? NO.  Was it worthwhile? Definitely.  We don't know how long we'll do it - none of us know whether we'll wake up tomorrow morning.  So get on with it - if its important.
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2008, 03:25:21 PM »

I wish we could use more nukes to generate electricity.  That would free up a ton of oil for transportation fuels.  I haven't seen any numbers on this concept yet ...its just my gut feeling.  The rub is where to put the radioactive waste. 

Enter the environmentalists.  They have single handed prevented new refineries, electric generating power plants of all types ( dams, coal, natural gas, oil, nuclear, ) drilling for oil everywhere in the USA.  Given the opportunity, our new technologies can produce cleaner power from these natural resources all the while severing our ties with foreign oil and its associated strings.

Agreed, solar makes lots of sense.  While it would be good for our government to provide grants or tax incentives to improve the technology I  am a firm believer for less government and let the market sort this out. 

Hydrogen fuel cells show potential but lack the infrastructure to implement a large scale rollout.  California is working on this concept but veeery slowly.   


 
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2008, 05:43:42 PM »

I am just circling the drain....

I will be long gone before the oil is....

Or maybe even this thread... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2008, 06:01:35 PM »

I am just circling the drain....

I will be long gone before the oil is....

Or maybe even this thread... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Clockwise or counter clockwise? Grin
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2008, 06:57:53 PM »


Hydrogen fuel cells show potential but lack the infrastructure to implement a large scale rollout.  California is working on this concept but veeery slowly.   


Agreed, but I'm concerned there too.  There are already problems with having adequate supplies of fresh water for civilization.  What happens if fuel cells are fully implemented in vehicles and SoCal has 17 million cars each using several gallons per day?  And heaven forbid, Atlanta.  Georgia is already trying to redefine their border with Tennessee to get more water.

I just don't think the future will be sustainable using any consumable fuel, not even water.  Sure they can desalinate ocean water, but that takes a lot of power too.  Right now there are still billions of people who don't even have access to modern conveniences.  1-1.5 billion people using consumable resources has brought us to this precipice.  What happens if 3 billion more Asian/Indian people are brought into the modern age over the next few years?  Then there is much of Africa.  Assuming continued population growth and industrialization, within another 50 years there could easily be 10 billion people using the resources that have been heavily drained by less than 2 billion people.

I am definitely not an environmentalist or other extremist.  And I do believe in the superiority of a free market economy over socialism and big government.  So perhaps all these investors that are looking for where to put their money, could do the world a service, and make a fortune in the process, by investing in development of high efficiency solar panels and energy storage technologies.

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2008, 07:45:03 PM »

So perhaps all these investors that are looking for where to put their money, could do the world a service, and make a fortune in the process, by investing in development of high efficiency solar panels and energy storage technologies.

The problem with many investors is the timeframe. They are not looking to get into 10+ year investments. They are looking for 3-5 year investments, maybe as much as 7 but rarely true.

I agree with Bob most recently, and others on this point. If you want to do something, figure out what you need to do to achieve it. Will it mean some sacrifices? Yep. Will those sacrifices be hard or difficult ones? Maybe, it depends on your definition of hard and difficult. Will they be worth it? Only you can answer that, and probably not right now. In 5, 10, or 20 years or more from now you'll look back and be able to tell us.

By asking us the question you already know in your heart what you want to do. You are looking for us to justify your decision one way or the other. Justification I can't provide, but advice I can. Search your heart for there is where your answer lies.

I moved to North Carolina from New Hampshire in late 2000 intent on marrying the woman to whom I was engaged at the time. I moved because it was easier for me than for her and her son. I moved because I had a dream of starting a family (or inheriting one as the case may be). Shortly after I moved here we both decided that it would not work out if we married, so we called the whole deal off. I was pretty bummed out, and thought about returning north (I could hear the true southerners rejoicing!) but decided to stay in North Carolina and continue pursuing my dream. I met her (a born 'n bred southern girl), married her (4 years ago this past February), and we are now pursuing new dreams together. They happen to include many cars and an older bus.

We've been told we're nuts, and people look at us funny. So what! It's our dream and we're doing what we want, and so what if it takes us a lot of years to achieve. What else should we be doing? Chasing after someone else's dream? Ummm, I don't think so.

As the "Happy Man" in Pretty Woman said, "Welcome to Hollywood! What's your dream? Everybody comes here; this is Hollywood, land of dreams. Some dreams come true, some don't; but keep on dreamin' - this is Hollywood. Always time to dream, so keep on dreamin'."

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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2008, 09:58:41 PM »

on Non Road Energy.

just saw a  bit on Wave generators.  Thats a generator that produces enrgy with the motion of ocean wave action.

one field already in plac e off the coast of Portugal I think it was. and is currently producing elec.

Supposedly a 240sq mile field of these things would supply all of Englands Electrical needs in perpetuity.....only bad side is the loss of 240 square miles of navigable water
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2008, 10:27:43 PM »

Dallas, while the use of water to make hydrogen might be involve quite a bit of it, there is no net loss of water to the earth because the hydrogen and oxygen produced turn back into water, the same amount as was originally used.

The difference would be in how much water would be tied up in tanks before it was used. I don't have any idea what those numbers might look like.

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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2008, 05:23:05 AM »

Dallas, while the use of water to make hydrogen might be involve quite a bit of it, there is no net loss of water to the earth because the hydrogen and oxygen produced turn back into water, the same amount as was originally used.

The difference would be in how much water would be tied up in tanks before it was used. I don't have any idea what those numbers might look like.

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Tom Caffrey
Tom, actually it was me that had the water concern.  I was incorrect in stating fuel cells, I was actually thinking of hydrogen/oxygen combustion systems, something I've been hearing about lately.  It requires fresh water.  Still no net loss of water to the eco system, but does require availability of fresh water, something that is already an issue.

Most fuel cells intake Hydrogen and Oxygen and output electricity, heat and water (assuming clean hydrogen is used).  The current method typically used for the production of hydrogen is from natural gas reforming, so it is still reliant on consumption of a fuel.  If it is produced from water by electrolysis, the electricity still has to be produced to do that.

Either of these technologies would probably be ok with today's consumer base size.  However, my point remains that with growing modernization of the worlds real population centers, sustainability cannot be achieved with consumable based energy sources.  Just too many people.
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