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« on: May 04, 2008, 10:37:39 AM »

I'm familiar with the "do it your way" idea, but I still like to get opinions from people who have "been there,done that" before I try to create a better mouse trap. (always willing to learn!!)
 So my next question is........
 On the back wall, "most" people who do cabinets there, do a layout of cabinets up either side, maybe across the top and a mirror (seems kinky  Roll Eyes  Grin ) in the center cove. I just pulled my back wall down (it was just a sheet of 3/4" finished plywood) to do something a bit nicer. With the two motor cradle supports coming up thru where the cabinets would be, I thought I would just put the wall there (with mirrors  Grin) to create two side coves and put about a 46" cabinet in the middle, angled back to the mirrors. It would give me much better - much needed - storage space.
 Has anyone else ever done this? Any real reason why it wouldn't work? I looked thru the picture thread but didn't really see anything. Would you know of anywhere else I could find pix of someebody who has done this??

 Also, I am going to be building a queen size bed "box", if you will, for my foam bed to be on. I also came up with an idea to put it on heavy duty drawer slides so I can slide it to the drivers side so I have dressing space or back to the middle to make the bed. I think that will utilize the space the best. Otherwise, there is always a drawback where it is sitting. The passenger side of the "box" will have drawers in it and the drivers side will be an open area for long term storage Tupperware containers, etc. I'm going to hinge the top of the "box" so I can get to it. The foam mattress is light enough to make that feasible.

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2008, 10:56:42 AM »

 I like the drawer slides idea!!!!!  I made my bed higher than a standard bed, floor to bottom of mattres  is 21 inches, more storage, eaiser to get in and out of. Under the bed are 4 large drawers and  large open areas. My plan was to cover the open areas, but they are so handy I never did. Top is also hinged.
 Put the mirrors on the ceiling where they belong Grin
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2008, 11:19:49 AM »

Just my opinion, but I would not plan for long term storage unless a bus is for full time or you plan on some real long trips. 

You'll probably end up sticking stuff in that storage that will never get used and it will just be dead weight you're paying to cart around.  I'm assuming most of the spare parts for the bus will go in a bay.
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2008, 11:29:55 AM »

I like the sliding bed idea, but will the slide rails stick up above the floor and be a tripping hazard when the bed is slid over to the wall? Huh Or will they be recessed into the floor to collect dust and junk like loose jewelry? Shocked Queen island is the most practical. Just ask the wife. (Skip the mirrors-unless you're into the 70's theme LOL Grin Grin)
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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2008, 11:42:53 AM »

I have 4 drawers under my bed with 2 on each side and I wouldn't do it again. My bed is stationary and being only a full size, it's raelly hard to open the drawers in the side space allotted! Could be too that my bed is designed as a pedestal bed and the drawers are somewhat hidden under the mattress frame! Anyway, I would have done it different but when you get started, and things start looking good, you tend to forget about being practical!

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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2008, 11:47:07 AM »

I built my frame to hold a queen bed out of 3/4 inch pine, so even using the ledge over the engine compartment, I ended up with spaces for 3 small drawers down each side.  Of course, they are quite shallow, so I will have a large center drawer that runs from front to back to use the center area.  It will pull right down the middle aisle of the bus.  We plan to use it for the things you want to have with you, but don't always need handy - like spare sheets, or extra bedding for the fold down couch, water toys, etc. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2008, 12:01:19 PM »

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If the mirror follows the contour of the ceiling, the women folk will like it much better.  Cheesy Cheesy

Hey Belfert,
Maybe I'm wrong here, but it's "MY opinion" that you can't have too much storage space. IE.
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We plan to use it for the things you want to have with you, but don't always need handy - like spare sheets, or extra bedding for the fold down couch, water toys, etc. 

Think about it buddy.  Roll Eyes

PP, I think since the bed will only move about 12" or so, I can keep the slides hidden. I can use small thread adjustable casters on the corners to help.

BS, That's another reason I want to put it on slides so I can access the drawers easier. If I wouldn't be able to have the bed all the way to the drivers side, it would be a bummer.

Tenor, That is what I had thought of before the slide idea. (great minds think alike!  Roll Eyes Grin Grin Grin )I think this should be the best of both worlds. I think Linda will need a little of that space for the imfamous "SHOES!!!"  Shocked Grin Grin Grin  I intend to make every possible space a storage space of some sort.

  Plannin for storin,
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2008, 12:12:19 PM »

Just a thought on the slides, there is no reason they should be exposed, by mounting them frontside and backside they wouldn't protrude beyond the ends of the bed and still allow it to be mobile, also it's easy to add a catch to lock the bed in either position, center or wall side.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2008, 01:40:59 PM »

Anybody have any differing opinions on the back cabinets or pictures I could steal ideas from??  Roll Eyes  Wink  Grin Grin

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2008, 03:01:15 PM »

Somewhere, I saw pictures of a bus that had a island of cabinets OVER the bed in the rear.  If I remember, it was recessed from the sides and end of the bed by 12 - 18 inches so you didn't have to worry about hitting your head.  But it made great use of the dead area over the center of the bed where you do not need the full ceiling height.  Just a thought...
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2008, 03:06:47 PM »

You could make the rear wall a large closet and turn your bed sideways like the big boys do. If I did it over, this is the way I would go!

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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2008, 03:41:45 PM »

Putting the bed sideways makes it easy to make a full wall of cabinets across the back but if you use a standard household size queen bed the distance from the foot of the bed to the wall is kinda tight to get thru.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2008, 04:26:01 PM »

Because we have that big picture window in the rear...and because we camp at a lot of campgrounds that you are literally backed up to the ocean or sounds we are going to have the bed facing to the rear with cabinets as part of the headboard...but you would get to the drawers from the back of the bed.

Hum...now about the mirror thing..............

We have thought about one of the 105 gallon water tanks under the bed, however I am not sure we want another 800 or so pounds right over the engine.  Any thoughts on that, the ones that fit the area under the bed?

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2008, 04:41:19 PM »

This is the rear of DML. Behind the two sliding mirrors there are three shelves with lots of storage space plus lots of other storage areas. Two large cabinets on each side of the mirrors and below that are night stands with three drawers each. There are three drawers on the front bottom of the bed stand as well as open shelve storage on each side of the bed frame. The bed tilts up with full storage there also.

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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2008, 04:56:14 PM »

Chaz,

This was when I first started on it:



You could extend it out farther over the engine forward, this would give you room for drawers on the side too!

I have two drawers that pull out from the foot of the bed.

The other dead space in the middle is open from both sides.

We have a few plastic containers and each store our shoes in them.

I may have to post the completed pictures with my polished granite nightstand tops.... Shocked

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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2008, 05:10:06 PM »

This is a bit different since I have a transit with wheel wells.  With the rear wall having the intake stack on the right side and the exhaust stack on the left, I just made a hanging closet in between on the back wall with my stereo speakers just in front of the stack intrusion.  Since it is a transit, there is a back seat that is part of the engine compartment.  I raised the bed so that you have proper height when standing over the wheel wells.  This left room under the bed for my 130gal water tank, two 10 gal elec water heaters, two water pumps, and hot and cold manifold ball valve system-one valve for each water use.  This keeps the water system inside the coach and lessens the possibility of freezing.  Then you can have more storage space in your baggage bays.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2008, 08:26:39 PM »

Our water tanks are under the bed in the bus we are using.  We also thought about putting drawers under the bed in the new bus.  We went back to putting the water there.  It is just too tight in the area to make drawers that are easy to get into.  You have to crawl down on your hands and knees, pull up the bedding, and pry yourself between the bed and wall.  Storage in the bay for extras is just a lot more accessable.  This also protects your tanks from freezing.  We have three tanks mounted sidewise for a total of 100 gallons.  Just make sure you install a pan under the tanks with a drain and if the pump is located in there, have an access door at the end of the bed to service the pump and check for leaks. Lifting a bed is a real pain the the rear and you still have to hang over the pedestal to work on anything in there.

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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2008, 11:56:12 PM »

Storage is one of the reasons the new bus will be twin beds.  You have good access to the rear wall for storage and you can put full length over head cabinets above each bed.  And of course each bed has good access for under bed storage. 

Still trying to come up with a workable way to fold one or both beds up against the wall to expose a desk/work surface for day use.

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2008, 01:00:07 AM »

Have you looked into murphy beds?

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2008, 04:10:25 AM »

Don, go to a used truck dealership and look at some of the trucks used in fleets with teams.  Some had a bunk that folded into the back wall when not in use, then fliped down when needed.  Basically two hinges, a latch and a cable at the foot and head.  Pretty simple mechanism from what I remember.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2008, 05:30:49 AM »

I have four drawers,two on each sides on full pullouts. The bed is raised 12" so the drawers are 7" deep which we use all the time.I also have storage in the middle of the bed which I have to lift the the mattrace to get at the space.I have the plywood cut in three pieces so it's not hard to use.I travel fulltime,so I use every space possible.
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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2008, 10:03:55 AM »

I've got a 4905 with queen bed centerline on the coach centerline.  Under the bed is a 200 gal water tank and eight 12" deep drawers in two rows of two on each side.  The bed top is belly high to accomodate the water tank and thick mattres.  The rear axle is right at gross (18,000#) when the tank is full.  I typically only load enough water for the trip I'm going on and so seldom fill the tank, but it's nice to have when you need it.
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2008, 06:37:43 PM »

Thanx for the ideas on the bed base, guys. I believe I will stick to my original thought. I already have my water set up in the basement and want max storage space anywhere I can get it.
My problem now is how I want to "finish" everything. I can rough 3/4" plywood together pretty good, but I want it to look nice. I was thinking of padded vinyl or something like marine hull covering (looks cool) but I'd like the cabinets to be hard faced. A wood working buddy stopped by today to have a look and said there is some neat veneer out there that I can stick to it and make look good. I'll probably go with the light maple. The rest of the coach will have a light grey as a base color. Does anyone else know of some sort of nice facing product I can finish the cabinets with? (wish me luck!!  Shocked     Grin)
 Most of the walls will probably have a marine hull material (silver/grey) and I'm still contemplating the ceiling material Cliff used. (I'm just afraid it can get damaged since my roof isn't raised)
I'll post pix if anyone wants to see it when done.

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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2008, 07:50:02 PM »

Chaz I finished all my cabinets off with a cherry mahogany formica brand laminate. It's not as hard as it appears. In this picture you can see the color and you can also see what Meant by not having a lot of room for the drawers on the side to open and how difficult it is because of the upper base overhang!

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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2008, 08:55:18 PM »

Jack Conrad has their bed tilt via motorize lift. Storage is open under bed.

Hope Jack see this "Bedroom" post and his reports.

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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2008, 06:11:41 AM »

Base is like toe kick on kitchen/bathroom cabinates, only needs to be 3 to 4 inches not 8 inches to a foot.
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2008, 06:40:54 AM »

Nice job BS!! I hope I can come close to mine looking that good. Mine will just be a little different in design.
The laminate, I'm guessing, it's not an actual wood product as you said it was Formica. (?) Unless Formica makes wood laminate too. (I'm a rookie here.)
I'm thinking about making smooth curves so I might use some ABS for the substrate. It works pretty easy. I use it for interior panels in Hot Rods.
 Thanx for the pic BS!

jjrbus,
  That is what I am planning on. Probably ony 3". I think that should be plenty.

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« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2008, 07:35:06 AM »

Chaz, Give me a call, I might have a week and a half that I could help you right after memorial day if I don't do some closet work in DC. Even then I may have a few days to help you out. I'll either be coming from Northumberland, Pa. to South east Il. or if I get the closet job I will come from Pa. to D.C. then to South East Il. Gotta be there june 12,13,14.

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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2008, 07:54:19 AM »

Thanx CD!! I appreciate the offer. Bad thing is I will "HOPEFULLY" have it done by then as I have back to back trips last weekend in May and first weekend in June.  But if you're traveling by and need a place to park for a bit, stop by. And if you need anything welded or fab-ed, I can probably help you out! I may even have some clean VO by then.

Later bro,
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« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2008, 01:22:15 PM »

Thanks Chaz! Here is what you can do if you get started! Problem is, were still not done as it takes time to get it right!  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2008, 03:54:39 PM »

Sorry, but I must correct you, BS.................... That is what YOU can do!!  Grin  I'm not so sure about me.  Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  I should probably do mine in metal.   Grin   It's more what I know.  Roll Eyes
 That is very nice looking tho.............. very nice.

   Thanx for the pix!
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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2008, 04:47:18 PM »

Chaz let me also say that I had help with just about all of it from friends! YES, I do have some! In fact it was Jack Conrad that helped me with the electric and Bill with the plumbing even though I had a good jump ahead when he got there. Another friend let me use his shop and we both did the cabinets. Ok, I helped him! LOL Bottom line is, someone is always willing to lend a hand so if your ever in Florida, either I can help or I can hook you up!
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2008, 05:55:43 PM »

Yeah, I have a few of those too. Actually, quite a lot. But........ I'm not much for bothering them. I'd much rather help them. (wierd, huh.) But, that's how I do it. I have been getting some opinions and suggestions lately tho. I'm nothing if not willing to learn.
  Anyway, 'nuff 'o that. Back to the bus. Lots to do. Fun actually.

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