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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2008, 09:14:23 AM »

I had missed Pete's post.  I value Pete's opinion.  It is true that many RV manufacturers use the material.  It does look good.  However, I suspect they use it for cost savings more than anything (material and labor)

As I posted earlier, I have had trouble keeping mine clean.  Since I am still working on the bus, the door panel gets touched with less than clean objects, so my situation may be unique.  Lately I have used carpet cleaner and it does a somewhat acceptable job, but it still does not look clean.  Pete, what do you use to clean your Ozite?

If you do go with Ozite, be careful how you apply the glue (and which glue you use, per my previous post).  Obviously the material is very porous.  I used a roller to apply the glue and that was a huge mistake Sad Undecided.  You know how engineers are:  if a little is good, more is better Grin.  I got too much glue on and it bled through the material in places.  If I were to do it over again, I would SPRAY the Ozite with a light "sizing" coat first and let it dry.  Then come back with another heavier coat for the actual application.

My experience with the automotive landau glue was that you can start applying the Ozite before the surfaces are completely dry and you can work with the material a bit.  That is from some old tired brain recall, but I am pretty sure it was not like formica, where you only get one chance.

Bottom line, play with some scrap pieces before you jump into the full blown project (like I did).

Jim
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« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2008, 09:17:39 AM »

Hi Clifford.  We posted at the same time.

I am almost positive that the material I have is the same as they use today.  For sure it is not cotton.

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« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2008, 09:20:26 AM »

While on this how would you reatach the ceiling material after it has started falling in places? 

Can the smal places be put back up or would it all need to be taken down and replaced?
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« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2008, 09:28:01 AM »

Well its to late for me. I just did mine with the wife and 2 kids. It was mothers day so I let her help. I wouldn't think it hold smells worst than any other material. I tried to post a pic but comes back to large of file.  Tom Y
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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2008, 09:46:48 AM »

Jim, I don't know why I said cotton it's more of nylon type (I think)with cotton the Ozite I had in the bus.I still have a roll of it in white if you need it come get it
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2008, 10:31:19 AM »

The best contact cement I've ever used - Got this from a master RV specialist who restores Classic GMC M/H of the '73-'78 (Front wheel drive Old Toranados)

I used:

DAP Weldwood Contact Ashesive
Landau Top & Trim HHR Solvent Type
Spray Grade (natural) in 5 Gal can
Also available in red

This is a contact cement with a fast drying time (professional) and it's made to withstand high temperatures (LANDAU TOPS)

$50 from an upholstery shop - supposed to be only sold to professionals - but usually available to guys like us

Think they had 1 gal can @ $15

I used a cheap spray gun (harbor Freight) run at full pressure (100-120 psi) - comes out like cotton candy (that's fine - it means it working - to store - always keep it full - pull the trigger half way and shoot just air to clear the nozzle - block of the air hole and stored it in a plastc bag - keeps for months and months

Either paint the wood or spray it once and let it dry - then apply a second coat - If you don't the first coat gets absorbed into the wood and IT WILL NOT HOLD - I also spray the carpet twice (just let it dry - then re-spray) - it works much better - you will not be able to pull it apart

My first attempt with out a double spray - released - pulled away - did not stick well

OPEN VERY WINDOW/VENT - REMOVE ANY SOURCE OF FLAME OR SPARK - PUT FANS IN EVEY WINDOW - WEAR A GOOD MASK - BE CAREFULL

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I clean my Ozite (Gray - Ribbed indoor/outdoor carpet from Home Depot) with GRUDE CUTTER and sometimes Mineral Sprits
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2008, 05:27:44 AM »

Jim (RVSAFETY) is absolutely right

Don't trowel carpet adhesive on the ozite - it will come thru the carpet (what a mess) - ask me how I know this :-(oh $#!%)

Trowel it on the wall / ceiling and then "let it set" just like the instruction say to do) - it gets very very tacky after it sets up

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It still allows movement when you apply the ozite -

DO NOT test the adhesion for the next few day - it takes a few day / up to 1 week to get TOTAL adhesion - it still very tacky after a day or 2 - so don't keep on testing a corner - just leave it  -- ask me how I know this too :-(

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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2008, 10:14:01 AM »

A trick to doing walls and using contact cement is we all know once you coat both sides (wall and material) and you touch them, it's pretty much stuck for good, but one tip is you can do as above but before attempting to attach the material, you can leave a small workable space at the top exposed and cover the rest of the area with brown paper grocery bags (if you can still find them) via small staples. The material won't stick to the bag but with help from another person you can align the material at the top edge. Once it is stuck, you can carefully remove the bags one section at a time for further adhesion! This method has proven many times over to work in the professional field and doing a bus is no different! The problem I see with using the multi purpose adhesives is as mentioned! They bleed thru the material which causes nothing short of a disaster and they take for ever to tack up which brings to mind it gives off a gas or odor! Using it on floors is ok because you can properly roll the material with 100 lb roller which gets the glue to spread evenly and get good even penetration. If troweling, make sure you use a very small notch in the trowel. Most store bought trowels are too large. We cut our own with a trowel notcher designed specifically for each job!
Hope this has helped!
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2008, 12:16:25 PM »

Another good adhesive I have used is 3M 1300L.  You have to thin it with toluene to spray it and it works excellent.  Works well with vinyl, carpet & upholstery.  Use it like any other contact cement, apply to both sides and let tack before installing the upholstery. 
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2008, 06:56:31 PM »

When doing the ceiling during our conversion back in 2000, we put up 3/8in exterior plywood, tongue and groove and sealed it with minute wax outdoor shield to hold the hold the vinyl top adhesive glue.

We installed first limo sound deadener rubber to the ceiling then came back with the ozite it was sewn together width wise, as seen in the picture below, we did half the bus that way in one shot, there was a red line on the inside of the ozite for the center line.   The red line matched up with the red line on the center of the ceiling.  You spray glue on the sound deadener down the center and the ozite we sprayed the ozite outside down the center,  after you hang it down the center you spray it and work it from the middle down toward the side with a Teflon spreader, it will not harm the ozite.  Spray both halves with the glue as you go along, that way you don't have to worry about the drying time as you go along, get one side of it done first and then start on the other side.  When you trimming be sure you have a lot of sharp razor blades, because you will go through them.

We have no problem of it being dirty, no musty smell, no cooking odors, no falling down, also no one smokes in the bus so there's no smoke smell.  Ozite seems to be a nice material, we also have it on our bedroom walls, it holds the outside noise down.  We have had no problems with it.

Sorry to make this post so long, but we thought we would tell you how we did it,  you could do it your way.  Please notice the pictures.

          Pete & Jean
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