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« on: May 20, 2008, 02:09:55 PM »

Hard disk failure yesterday meant that I have lost my entire music collection, plus (more importantly!) all the photos I had been carefully taking whilst converting my bus in preparation for eventually doing a website about the project.

Ironically, it was my 'backup' disk that failed, so I've not lost anything that was really important, but I had long since moved all the original copies of my photos / music / films etc off my main disk in order to speed my computer up. I guess I should have had a backup of the backup

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 03:06:42 PM »

Lost my hard drive at work last month. The computer service that was supposed to be backing up the computers every night wasn't backing up mine. A datd recovery company was able to recover most of the data, but the cost was $3200! Glad I didn't have to pay!
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008, 03:12:24 PM »

I sort of had the same problem a couple years ago but not with Bus Photos. I attended my only living Grandmothers 93rd birthday party with my new Digital Camera in hand. I took tons of photos of her mingling around with the family as well as Family Shots. I downloaded the photos to my computer and enjoyed having them there. A couple weeks later a lightning storm took out my hard drive and the photos were lost forever. Two weeks later my Grandmother died. Not to say that your Bus Photos were of no value but I would have given 1000's of bus pics for the 30 or so photos of my Grandmother's last birthday party. I now burn all my pics of any value to CD's so I won't lose anymore.
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 03:26:40 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008, 04:03:04 PM »

I'm not a big picture taker. But I'm off on a trip with a new digital camera. I get to my destination, Angor Wat in Cambodia. The place is spectacular I take over 100 pics. I get home and download the pics to the computer, I order an external CD burner to burn the pics to a disc. Some time later I look for the CD, cant find it, gone!!! I cant find the Pics in the computer, gone?Huh I'm sick.
  I'm repalceing my old cmputer with a new one and going through things. I find the pictures, they are in the sample photo album of a progam I never used?HuhHuh??  Gremlins!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2008, 05:54:24 PM »

all drives fail, its only a matter of when.
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008, 06:40:52 PM »

  I'm repalceing my old cmputer with a new one and going through things. I find the pictures, they are in the sample photo album of a progam I never used?HuhHuh??  Gremlins!!!!

Let me guess, Adobe Photo Album?  That program installs with Acrobat Reader sometimes and by default hijacks digital camera photo downloads and scans.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 05:04:25 AM »

I probably have 3 or 4 thousand pictures or bus files plus tons of family stuff, I learned a long time ago to do monthly back ups, its cheap and it's saved me at least twice since I started doing it, all it costs is one little ole disc!   
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2008, 07:26:08 AM »

Whenever I upgrade my computer, I always take the main hard drive from my old one, and use it as a secondary drive on the new one.  So I have two disk drives. The new drive will haev a fresh, clean install on all the software. I copy all the old data files to the new drive.  I use the nw drive to run and store everything.  Peridodically I copy all my files back to the old drive.  Its fast and efficient, and I always have two copies of everything.  Sometimes its the new drive that fails, sometimes its the old one that fails, but when they do I just put another dirve in, and copy all to it again.

Copying this way is one of the fastest ways to copy files and make backups.  I'm always surprised more people don't do it this way.  As long as I copy somewhat regularly, I always havean esily accessible backup of everything.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2008, 09:12:57 AM »

It is a program called Camedia. Came with the Olympus camera!!
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2008, 09:23:53 AM »

Whenever I upgrade my computer, I always take the main hard drive from my old one, and use it as a secondary drive on the new one.  So I have two disk drives. The new drive will haev a fresh, clean install on all the software. I copy all the old data files to the new drive.  I use the nw drive to run and store everything.  Peridodically I copy all my files back to the old drive.  Its fast and efficient, and I always have two copies of everything.  Sometimes its the new drive that fails, sometimes its the old one that fails, but when they do I just put another dirve in, and copy all to it again.

Copying this way is one of the fastest ways to copy files and make backups.  I'm always surprised more people don't do it this way.  As long as I copy somewhat regularly, I always havean esily accessible backup of everything.

Jim, Is there anyplace where I can maybe get directions on how to accomplish this?  Presently I have a relatively new C drive with 500G storage. I have a F drive of 80G that I want to remove the information from and transfer to the C drive and then use the F drive as a backup.

Using a PhotoSort software that I just purchased I found several thousand duplicates on the C drive and the soft ware is doing a great job of finding these duplicates and eliminating the duplicate files.  What do you think?

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Maybe I should transfer the F drive information to the C drive and then do the duplicate sort.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2008, 11:08:29 AM »

Geeeze, I thought I was doing something that put those 100's of copys all over my computer Huh
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2008, 11:38:32 AM »

DML,

I use windows explorer to do the copy.  Its under all programs, accessories.  Did that answer your question?
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2008, 02:10:55 PM »

I'm interested to know how people are getting hundreds of copies of their files in different places - is it something to do with automated backup routines?

I cannot decide if an automated backup system is a better solution to manual system, where you simply make a point of periodically copying your files to a different location. Automated systems have the advantage of backing up more frequently, and for instance, only backing up the files that have changed -  but I am dubious about relying on a system where you don't really know what it is doing, or which might even make the situation worse - for instance, I was considering replacing my broken external hard disk with a RAID disk, which actually has two disks side-by-side which back each other up automatically - seemed like a good idea for a while, but then I read that if the files on one one disk got corrupted due to a virus or whatever the system would have copied the corrupted files onto the second disk before you realised what had happened.

As well as backing up in case of disk failure etc I also worry about physical security - it's all very well installing an old hard disk in your PC to use for backups, but what happens if the PC gets stolen or fried by lightning?

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2008, 03:06:16 PM »

DML,

I use windows explorer to do the copy.  Its under all programs, accessories.  Did that answer your question?

What is the selection under accessories? I did not see anything that looked like it would do that?

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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2008, 07:12:36 AM »

Hello Guys,

IMHO - A little computer advice from a computer guy....  I would suggest a trip to Staples or Best Buy or any of those big chains... they sell external hard drives which hook up via USB. I prefer the ones made by Seagate or Western Digital. Many of them offer a feature called one button backup. They have software built in that will copy your hard drive to the backup drive... I keep one attached to my laptop and once a week make a backup - I will start it before bed and when I wake up it is finished. Weekly backups ensure that you will only be at most one week behind.  A month is a long time. You can also get any external hard drive (avoid the real cheapo ones - expect to pay $150.00) and using the anti-virus / firewall software from Microsoft called OneCare - there is an automated feature in there to run scheduled weekly or daily backups of all your data... I have this on a couple of my other systems and use the same idea - an external drive which holds the backups.  I am also a firm believer of duplications, keep the files on your computer and on the backup... or have two external drives and switch them from time to time...

Also as stated in this thread - if there are any files that you deeply desire to keep - burn them to either CD or DVD. CD's and DVD's have at least a 100 year shelf life... If any of you have older camera's that used floppy disks for film - make sure you get those pictures to a CD ASAP - floppy disks only have about a 3 year shelf life, I have had them fail after 6 months... and also, as mentioned above - all disk can fail and the longer you have your computer the more likely it will fail... unfortunately just like many things that are made these days - they are made to fail, otherwise we wouldn't need to buy new ones...

I hope this helps...

John
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2008, 07:44:58 AM »

I have Sony DRX-81OUL external USB harddrive. Many other brands are good as long it come with user friendly software. It the best thing I ever purchase beside having printer. You may find one better than I have and at lower price.

You might check further if it still can be retrieved
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2008, 08:30:27 AM »

DML,

Windows Explorer is the program (under accessories) I use to copy etc.  Its not near as easy as what John and Sojourner use, but it will work. 

Partly I'm just used to it.  I run XP, and it was in accessories for earlier version of windows too.  I'm not sure about Vista.
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2008, 09:18:29 AM »

My disk that failed was a Seagate external drive. It suffered some sort of mechanical or electronic failure whereby it still 'idled' but would not 'spin up' None of the usual file recovery utilities would work because it was the disk drive that was damaged, not the files. I did download a specialist program that took 24 hours to scan the entire disk (450 million sectors), but still could not actually read any data off it. I'm sure that if the disk was dissassembled in a clean room by a specialist company they could recover the entire contents - but apart from some photos there was nothing on it that I cannot ultimately replace - just have to start collecting some torrent files!

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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2008, 10:43:23 AM »

Jim,

Windows Explorer is in the same place on Vista. I use that to do most of my copy and paste of files on a normal basis, but when its time for a large backup - I prefer to let an automated system do that - I get too impatient waiting for the copy to finish. I have also had troubles in the past where on a desktop system without a battery backup - we had a power blip during a large copy like that and man what a head ache it created... Computers are great tools and make me money in the business but they can really be a pain in the butt sometimes... even computer technicians have computer problems!!!

My best point to be made is DUPLICATE!!! either on CD's, two hard drives, or two computers... because one of them will fail at some point in time!

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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2008, 11:55:56 PM »

Lots of great advice here!

One more thing to think about is what would happen to your most valued files due to a disaster -- fire, flood, even theft. It would not be helpful to have both hard drive and backup media destroyed, so keep copies (DVD, CD) somewhere else: the bank, at work, a relative or trusted friend's place, anywhere else. Re-writable media even can be exchanged for updated versions and reuse on a weekly or monthly schedule.

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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2008, 12:45:39 PM »

Yes Don you are absolutely correct. I forgot to put that point out there... I try to keep one copy at my office and one at home. If you dont have a place to keep one copy like at the office then think of a close relative's house. Almost all big companies keep off site copies of important backups... At the very least you can also keep a copy in a fire proof safe.

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2008, 03:59:52 PM »

Hello Guys,

IMHO - A little computer advice from a computer guy....  I would suggest a trip to Staples or Best Buy or any of those big chains... they sell external hard drives which hook up via USB. I prefer the ones made by Seagate or Western Digital. Many of them offer a feature called one button backup. They have software built in that will copy your hard drive to the backup drive... I keep one attached to my laptop and once a week make a backup - I will start it before bed and when I wake up it is finished. Weekly backups ensure that you will only be at most one week behind.  A month is a long time. You can also get any external hard drive (avoid the real cheapo ones - expect to pay $150.00) and using the anti-virus / firewall software from Microsoft called OneCare - there is an automated feature in there to run scheduled weekly or daily backups of all your data... I have this on a couple of my other systems and use the same idea - an external drive which holds the backups.  I am also a firm believer of duplications, keep the files on your computer and on the backup... or have two external drives and switch them from time to time...

Also as stated in this thread - if there are any files that you deeply desire to keep - burn them to either CD or DVD. CD's and DVD's have at least a 100 year shelf life... If any of you have older camera's that used floppy disks for film - make sure you get those pictures to a CD ASAP - floppy disks only have about a 3 year shelf life, I have had them fail after 6 months... and also, as mentioned above - all disk can fail and the longer you have your computer the more likely it will fail... unfortunately just like many things that are made these days - they are made to fail, otherwise we wouldn't need to buy new ones...

I hope this helps...

John

So what is the shelf life of a flash drive?

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2008, 05:48:18 PM »

Len,

I am not too sure of the actual shelf life - but I personally would not use them for any sort of long term storage. They are really meant only to be used as portable storage - like bringing documents to and from work or school. They are a computer EPROM chip based device - which means they have no moving parts so failure in the sort of a hard drive wont happen, but when they get abused - like bouncing around in a brief case or pocket with keys, etc... they do fail. I have had many of them die on me for this reason - I usually have several of them thrown in the tool bag and really don't depend on them other then to move files... I do however have one I keep on my desk that I use to back up my QuickBooks file. I backup QuickBooks everytime I use it. Usually daily. I prefer to do that particular file daily so that if I did have a hard drive failure I do not have to make up a full week of business data in that program. I dont like doing double work and that is the software that tracks the business's income and expenses... but I do have my weekly external hard drive data backup as well... Duplication, Duplication... Off Site Storage.... and to top it all off - make sure you have up to date anti-virus software and be very weary of the back alleys of the internet!!! They are no different then the back alley of a city - you can meet up with very unsavory sorts...

John
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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2008, 03:22:05 PM »

Gidday All

My solution has been to buy an external hard disk.  Once a month, I plug it in via the USB port & take a backup of "My Documents" .  I have my Outlook email directory pointing to a directory in "My Documents", so all my emails are backed up as well.

I keep the disk in a different room from the computer.  Hopefully, thieves will not find it.  I also take a DVD copy now & then that I keep at work.

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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2008, 09:31:08 AM »

After losing several hundred photos the one thing i learned is NEVER leave photos on your computer, put em on a cd asap, they will slow the computer, i was sitting there one day looking at mine , had what i call a computer glitch and the pictures started deleting and no way to stop them, i bought a small gadjet that plugs into the usb port and comes up on F drive, cant think of the name of it but they are not reliable either, had one go bad and lost some more photos, i think the CD is the way to go.
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« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2008, 07:21:18 AM »

I lost all the family and vacation pictures that I had copied over to a DVD for safe keeping a couple of years ago. I figured that putting them on a DVD would be safe... Hopefully I'll remember where I put the DVD one of these days!  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2008, 08:33:54 AM »

Found out the flash drives are not 100% either, lost a bunch of photos from one that went bad after only a few weeks.
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WOW!! how did this escape the move to Off Topic?Huh Grin
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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2008, 06:35:34 AM »

Yeah I was thinking that too.... but the pictures are of of buses.... right! SHHHHH!!!
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