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« on: May 30, 2008, 06:15:03 AM »

I was going to "search" this question as I did not want to bring up such a s###ty subject  Wink but I need to buy a "slide" for the "kids". (that's code for "waste tube" for the.....uh..... you know.  Grin)
 I understand they are not all created equal and I am a little squimish about this.  Tongue What are some good ones to look for and why. I need to get this before 6/5 as I am taking my "baby" to Indy for the Good Guys Hot Rod Run. I'm hoping to hang out there the whole weekend and get my fill of Hot Rods. And then of course, I will have to "un-fill"  Grin the "pool". 

  Second question also related: Do any of you guys have a "dump station" at your home?? I'm thinking I could make one that would be connected to my studio sanitary line. There may be a few pros and cons associated with this, but it's my guess that it would empty better after some aggitation from the ride home......(?)

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2008, 06:31:31 AM »

When I put in a new driveway for the coach, I also included a sewer drain line in the appropriate location. Really worked great and all the solids were mixed up great so that draining was easy. It was also great to have when I had someone visiting for a few days. I never left the drain valve open and tried to wait till the holding tank was half way full to dump. I recommend you do this.

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2008, 06:37:00 AM »

Thanx Richard. I appreciate it. I couldn't really think of any "bad" drawbacks, but wanted to ask for all of your opinions.

  But what about a good hose? Any recommendations??

  Thanx again......
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2008, 06:57:46 AM »

Think about installing a macerator -

Perhaps for your time frame - just a portable one that can be removed

After yeras of RVing - I just don't want to deal with that big stinking hose anymore - I have a macerator (24 volt marine model) - with 20 feet of large bore gray garden hose - so I can "SHOOT MY POOP"

Less work / less mess / goes Uphill / They tell me that you can also shoot it into a toilet ??

The hose stores inside a PVC tube that run under the bus -

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 06:58:48 AM »

Chaz...are you talking about the sewer hose that goes from the tank to the dump station or the sewer hookup in a campground?
And if so I assume you have the standard fitting on your waste tank(s) that accepts the standard sewer hose fitting?
If that is correct and you have a Wally World near you they have all you need!
Be sure to purchace the rubber boot thing that fits in the sewer connection at the campgrounds...which allows a tight seal between the end of the hose and the pipe you stick the hose in.
And ALWAYS wear gloves, rubber gloves and shoes that don't leak when preforming this wonderful task.  (And don't ask how I know about the shoes!)
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 07:03:35 AM »

I am not familiar with the hose manufacturers enough to recommend a particular brand, but I do have two suggestions.  First, I have noticed that they come in several price levels (good/better/best) with the better ones being a heftier gauge.  The light duty ones feel a bit flimsy to me. I wanted one that would last a while and not give me problems, so I had no problem spending the extra $ to get the beefy version.  My second recommendation is to get two, of different lengths.  When I pull up right next to a dump station, I don't really want to deal with a 20 foot hose.  But at campsites, they have been known to place the in-ground connection point at a less-than-convenient location and the extra length is needed.  Plus, having two gives you a spare.    
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2008, 07:19:20 AM »

If you have a septic tank, be sure to dillute your waste fluids. Most septic tanks don't tolerate the shock (of the highly concentrated RV poop) very well.

As for hose, I just bought a kit from camping world that has 2ea 10 foot hoses & all the connectors. I also bought the PVC storage tube with end caps to isolate the stinky slinky from my other stuff.

While there, I picked up another fresh water hose.

FWIW, the total bill was ~$100.00


OH, BTW, they had a macerator kit for ~$500. If I'd planned ahead, I'd have used that gov't stimulus check . . . . .
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 07:25:38 AM »

When starting with an empty tank, I fill the toilet to the overflow and empty it twice-that adds about 5 gal of fresh water to start. 
For sewer drain hose, just go to Camping World and buy their best quality version of it.  Simple, I haven't had any problems, and just rinse with fresh water when done.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2008, 07:59:26 AM »

Chaz,

   Couple of add on thoughts.

    If you are going to have your own dump have a fresh water set-up. A frost free hydraunt next to the
 dump will help keep things clean.

    On 2 tank systems I always dump black then grey.......I use the grey to help clean out the
 stinky pipe before final wash.

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2008, 07:59:52 AM »

I'll second and third the higher priced hose. The cheap  ones are like disposable latex gloves, use em once or twice and throw out!!
 $500, FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS,  for a macerator pump? US Dollars???  
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2008, 08:04:28 AM »

Great stuff guys!!! Thanx!

I really like the macerator pump idea. That would work very well for dumping in my sanitary line here at my studio. I already have a clean-out I could run it to, but the price tag would be a little salty for me right now. Dang shame. I'm spending my bus money on interior stuff right now.

I guess I'll throw myself on the mercy of Camping world. At least that way i should be able to get it in time. Unless there's one in Indy?? But I think Louisville is the closest.

Thanx for the help to a stinky situation!  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2008, 08:08:53 AM »

I'll second and third the higher priced hose. The cheap  ones are like disposable latex gloves, use em once or twice and throw out!!
 $500, FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS,  for a macerator pump? US Dollars???  
It was a complete kit. The little things can add up quickly . . .

I didn't buy it & would probably 'roll my own' when I get to the point I think need one . . .  Grin

.  .  .  .  On 2 tank systems I always dump black then grey.......I use the grey to help clean out the
 stinky pipe before final wash.

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My black is mostly musty smelling, the grey can get quite 'loud' tho. . . . but I think that's usually a result of using anti-bacterial soap & food scraps from the dishes.

YMMV  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2008, 08:16:25 AM »

Ok.........
I just went to CW to check out the "slides". Well....... I looked into this: http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm?skunum=34450&src=ROTC  While I was at it. It's a little cheaper than 500.00 and starting to get my ears up a little. Do any of you have any experience with it?

Kyle, you said you'd "roll your own". Any suggestions there??

I need to do a little more investigation, but I'd really like more opinions from your personal experience. This topic really does "concern" me! Tongue  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2008, 08:22:00 AM »

Kyle,

    I think it is interesting that life styles make a big difference on the end results.

  My grey usually has little to no smell but we use fine paper china and breakable utensils.
  We don't use anti-bact soap and mostly use water for pots and pans after they have been pre cleaned
  Our Black usually isn't as bad as some I have had the pleasure to meet but with some finely tuned noses
   in the family I try and make my empties as painless as possible.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2008, 08:52:40 AM »

When I ordered my black/grey tank I added a 1 1/2 inch outlet at bottom of tank for macerator and a 3 inch cleanout at top of tank. In hindsight, I would add a tee to the outlet of the macerator returning to tank to grind up solids befor dumping as The macerator leaves some solids in tank. I can use the macerator 2 or 3 times and then need to use regular dump.
 Clear vynil tube has shutoff on end, it is used as a sightglass and flushing out pump. On left side of pump is shaft, it has a slot for screwdriver always free shaft befor powereing up pump to avoid blowing fuse.

For the  DIY'er in you  http://www.mobilehomestead.com/mainprojects/projects/macerator.htm

 24 volt macerator pump at Dana flea market     $35
 1 1/2 inch slide valve                                    $10
 Misc                                                           $30  give or take $10
 


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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2008, 09:53:54 AM »

Kyle, you said you'd "roll your own". Any suggestions there??

jjrbus has it covered very well.
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2008, 10:06:51 AM »

Check out West Marine
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2008, 10:17:38 AM »

I have found using the large hose a lot faster and more thorough than the macerator.  I bought a macerator that has a bayonet fitting that attaches to the dump valve.  It was less than $200., but that was about five years ago.  I have used it quite a bit, but still would default to the big hose.  Also, be careful about letting the macerator run without fluids.  It uses your sewage as a coolant for the pump and will burnout quickly if deprived.  The last time I used it, it ran for about 30 seconds empty before I got to it.  I think I may have damaged it, but will be using it tomorrow and will find out.  Of course, be careful about what you put in your septic tank.  I would not use any of the formaldehyde based tank treatments or any other that destroy bacteria.  The enzyme-type treatments, some of which are just shots of bacteria, would be okay.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2008, 12:40:39 PM »

Well, I figured it was time to "S**t or get off the pot" so I made an executive decision from my "throne". I just ordered this:  http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-toilets-tanks/waste-water-pump-rv.htm?source=msn

I wasn't wanting to drop that much "cake" on this little issue, but 197.00 was doable. (on sale today) The initial 500.00 was not even a consideration.

So now hopefully I will be a "Happy Camper"  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy LOLOL

By the way, after searching around on the net, that IS a good price if any of you are contemplating such a thing.

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2008, 01:26:51 PM »

Well, I'm gonna stick with my $30 stinky slinky for now.  Grin

A macerator pump can give new meaning to "shooting the s#!t"   Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2008, 02:36:39 PM »

HA!! Good one!  Cheesy
Altho I've been known to "shoot" a little, I PRAY this is one kind I don't!!!   Shocked   Tongue   Grin
But if all goes well, I do believe this is a good way to go. Especially to be able to dump at home and not need a plumber to come out and set up something to dump in.

  Eat your roughage and keep'em floatin, Kyle! Grin

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2008, 05:34:30 PM »

check out EBay - under macerator
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2008, 06:24:41 PM »

That's similar to what I have, but I do not have the remote switch although you really can't get to remote anyway. It appears to be a good price for it in kit form.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2008, 08:29:22 PM »

Lin,
  That's what i thought. I did check ebay, I looked at all of them but I figured what little I would save in money "rollin my own", I'd spend in time and aggrevation. And the deciding factor was that I couldn't set it up permanently like jjrbus did as I don't have the room. So the kit made the best sense. At least I'll find out after next weekend! Smiley  Wish me luck!  Wink

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« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2008, 08:35:13 PM »

It's good to have.  Just don't get your hoses mixed up.
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« Reply #25 on: May 31, 2008, 01:18:37 PM »

I have the same setup as Lin and really like it.

I use the 3" at campgrounds but use the portable macerator pump at home where I can't get close to my sewer cleanout. I use a plain 5/8" garden hose with no problem.

One word of wisdom about the pump, it makes a lot of pressure so be sure the discharge end of the small hose is well held down - don't ask me how I know this!!

Two 3" hoses is a very good idea. You will very often be just not quite close enough and sometimes you will even have to dump on the opposite side. That really gets to be a mess.

I would add to that to have the bayonet type quick-connectors at all connections. You don't really want to be fooling with screw on or clamp types when things get messy.

Camping World also has a 3"clear plastic  elbow with a garden hose connection for cleaning out the 3" hose or portable macerator pump. It helps to be able to see when things are getting cleaner.
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« Reply #26 on: May 31, 2008, 04:54:57 PM »

Just another note.  I have about a foot of clear plastic hose on the discharge side of the macerator and connect the hose to that.  That way you can see when the flow has stopped.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2008, 10:52:49 PM »

WOW! Shocked Shocked Shocked  Guys,,,,really Embarrassed   I full timed for years and I only had a stock hose from CW.  I NEVER used any additives and never had any smell except when a PVC drain split.  I waited till the black was full to the top and drained in a dumpsite or just opened the valve if in a park and then drained the grey.  All I did to the hose before storing it was, at most, run a little fresh through it, hold the end up high to let it drain and stow it.  I never wore plastic gloves because I never needed them.  If I got a few drops on my hands, well I washed after doing this chore anyway and I didn't visit during a dump adventure and there was no need for shaking hands to be a concern. Wink

A macerator seems a good idea but I can imagine going years before actually using it....still. Smiley  CHEWING up your poopy and circulating it back into the black tank before dumping through a 3 inch hose?  Now that was inspired by Stephan King. Tongue Grin Grin Sorry, couldn't resist.

The more spendy drain pipe lasts a lot longer than the cheepy blue item.  The blues never lasted more than a year.  Bad part was that you only discovered you had holes when you need to use the darn thing so after 5 years I switched to the spendy grey hose made of thicker rubber.

Good luck here now to all.  And KIS is the motto.  This ain't deep and better never be Wink Cheesy

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