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« on: June 20, 2008, 06:51:46 AM »

This is pretty much the layout that I plan on using for my coach. However I would like to hear from anyone that sees anything that will be a big problem. I don't care if you don't like the style Wink, but please let me know if you see anything that is a deal breaker.
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 06:59:13 AM »

Your pantry is really deep, what are your plans to get to the back?  If you are using some sort of drawers, you are limited to how far you can pull them out because they will run into the bathroom door.  Looks cool otherwise!

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 07:21:37 AM »

Paul,

    In well thought out floor plans there usually isn't deal breakers
 just minor inconveniences. It then becomes the trade off between
 function and style........
   
   Only things I saw are from my perspective only but are really minor.
      Master bed against the wall would be a pain for me.
      Kitchen design efficiencies usually have more of a triangle concept between stove, sink and fridge.
      Your fridge seems a little removed from the cooking area.
      Closet space seems minimal.

    of course YMMV

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 07:35:05 AM »

It looks on the plan as though the bunks are in the bathroom! Even if there is a wall around the bunks area, I'm not sure having the shower and toilet in such an open and central location is really feasible when there will presumably be four people staying in the bus (judging by the sleeping arrangements). I'd want the bathroom to be a much more private area myself.

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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 07:47:21 AM »

To Clarify

Pantry will be drawers, and depth is subject to change, I just pulled it out far enough for the bathroom door to catch on it to block off the bath from the front.

The kitchen design is a triangle just not an equilateral one Grin. For closets there is storage under the bunks, above the washer dryer, in the dinette, under each couch, and I may add one against the wall at the foot of the bed.

WC is completely walled in, the way I drew it, I can see how you misinterpreted it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 07:54:29 AM »


Paul,

    Well thought out with the bases coverd Smiley

  Jeremy..............the family that showers together stays clean together :0
   Actually I'm rather conservative (private) about showers but I have seen
   a lot of open plans in the shower area.......I guess it is all a matter of preferences.
   

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 07:55:21 AM »

This is definitely one of the most unusual and unorthodox layouts I have seen, but if that is what you want, the go for it.

I would however suggest you plan on attending a bus rally and look at the other more conventional layouts before you make the final decision.

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 07:59:05 AM »

Paul:

As a “Bus Not” my opinion and thoughts are valuable to me and only me but  .   .   .   ( I can’t keep quit anyway ! )

I would make the Rear Bunk into a Couch, that unfolded into a Bunk Bed.  See the 1967 or so Travco Motorhomes  –  It will provide you with seating during the day and sleeping at night.  My father converted a ’54 Flxible with twin front couches that folded into bunks.  For what it is worth I would do the same with your front Couches  .  .  . 

In the for what it is worth department, the back of the couch had a piece about 9”, on a piano hinge, that folded behind, giving the back of the couch a nice seating angle and resulted in a top bunk that was as wide as the bottom.  He used 3 web straps that connected onto eye bolts that went through the roof ribs.  - - >  Strong enough to support 280 + pounds for the night – repeatedly.  When traveling, In a slide, I am thinking that it would be better to support the top bunk from the floor but hey, I am a Bus Not so I haven’t gotten that far yet ! 

I also believe that the best location for a Water Tank – Water Pump & ( Electric) HWH is under the back bed, with all of the plumbing run up on one side of the bus  .  .  .  thus all of the water using apparatus should be on that one side of the bus.  If you run your hot and cold water lines inside your floor heating duct you greatly lessen the chance of freezing, if using the bus in a colder climate is a concern.  ( ’54 Flex was used skiing in the Northeast and Canada in the late 70’s without freezing problems.  Yes, it was a wooden heating duct with access points throughout and a little salt and hot water in the holding tanks allowed us to dump every Sunday night. )

Last but possible least, I believe that you get more usable space with the back bed turned sideways .  .  .   just an opinion and not base in scientific fact.

With the exception of the above comments, you have incorporated all of the same components I envision in our ( To Be ) family bus.

Rick

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 08:16:51 AM »

your master bed against the wall may not be an issue now but it will be down the road.  Making a bed like that and having to climb over your bedmate is a pain.

TV location gives fairly limited view for some seats

I would set it up with the bath utilityes all on ne side in thier own room.   or....have the shower opposite the toilet/sink.

with this oposite setup either facility can be used at the same time, but with doors that swing opposite and latch to the oposite wall you in feffect make your bathroom quite larger and provide a private area to dress, towel off etc.

Question:  What is your anticipated regular passenger capacity.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 08:34:45 AM »

TV will be mounted long way vertical(widescreen) on a hinge, and will swing up 90 degrees out of the the cabinet and be held in place at the ceiling  with a gas strut.

There will be five of us, there is one other bed mounted up front above the driver like a class C that will latch at the ceiling when not in use. Bus can still be driven with bed in down position. It is easier to see some of this stuff in my original drawing due to the fact that I used color to differentiate items.

Also remember, this is a Setra and I'm using the space based on the mechanical systems I have to work around. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2008, 09:36:35 AM »

Paul, I like the layout, is the door going into the bathroom doing double duty? Does it swing far enough to close off the toilet area as well as the kitchen area, another question on the pantry, are you using drawers or a pullout slide for the stuff?  We set our queen bed the same way in the back but eventually moved it to the center of the back cause libby wanted night stands and individual closets, one on each side of it, but looks not only workable but efficient.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2008, 09:46:55 AM »

Cody,

Yes, the door generally will be closed to keep the stool private. Yet, when needed can be opened to make the vanity, shower, and stool separate from the front.

Pantry will probably be an upper and lower slide unit rather than drawers.

The bed is not in the ideal position, but it was easier to drop the floor on one side only(lees work on the passenger side since that is where Setra placed the original bathroom) rather than both. My boys beds are up against the walls in their rooms so I have developed a halfway decent method for making a bed in a less than ideal position.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2008, 09:57:13 AM »

The hardware for pantry slideouts is quite expensive but I've used regular drawer slides to make them work just fine and at a fraction of the cost of buying the hardware that they want you to use, the key is to mount the drawer hardware both top and bottom because of the weight involved and the tip factor due to the height of the pantry arrangement.  With pullouts you can still easily get to the back items and from both sides as well.  If you look around you can find the hardware that requires you to lift the pullout slightly to pull it out, that prevents the pullout from sliding out on the road.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2008, 10:27:55 AM »

If I were to do over again, I would put the bed sideways rather than front to rear!

In your kitchen area, why not put the fridge and pantry on the same side as the stove and kitchen counter! Maybe use a smaller dinette or maybe a free standing table (actually table is built and mounted against wall) and chairs. We went that way in this coach and love it over our Eagle and it's stationary dinette! Gave us more room!
Also it appears you have LOT of counter space! When preparing foods, you'll find you won't need as much as you think making for wasted space!

Bunks are definitely in the wrong place! Looks like they are in the bathroom and if this is a 40 footer, which I think it is, you will be cramped for room!

You may want to think about moving your kitchen area more to the rear. You don't live in the kitchen so your there a small part of the time. Might want to think about a walk thru bathroom. Saves a lot of space even though it means running pipe on both sides! It's really not that much extra work!

These are just my opinions and only you would know what would work best for you and your family! If this fits your lifestyle, then go for it! I've always said, it doesn't matter what another thinks. I have to like it! I know my design on my coach doesn't suit a lot of people that have seen it but they don't have to stay in it. I do and it works fine for me!

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 11:34:50 AM »

Kitchen does not need to be as large, Fridge on same side as kitchen. to maximize dinette space wue a yacht style u shape rather than two benches, sill will seat 4 or maybe 5 depending on how long it is, but will take up alot less width.

why are you dropping the floor in the bedroom only on one side....whats the interior ht of a setra?

I would also say instead of the  couch on one side put 2 captains chairs, with either a cabinet or fold up aircraft stlye table.

2 couches in a bus really majkes things feel tight......not to mention some folks don;lt care to ride sideways all the time.

also the two chairs with a table  will increase your feedability or spread some folks out.

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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 02:24:53 PM »

Doug,
Dinette will have expandable table and seat six(with two folding chairs) when slideout is out. Two couches means two extra beds for when my kids bring guests, I 'm not so sure how comfy a chair is to sleep in, even if you kick your feet up on the table. Cheesy

Ace,
Turning the bed sideways doesn't seem to save any room, it gives me two really tight aisles(13") instead of a large one.

Thanks for all of the constructive comments, nothing is set in stone yet and I'm still refining it.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 02:45:18 PM »

Paul not sure how old you and the wife are but at some point the bed against the wall may be a PITA

I'd leave the floor the way it is, can build a big drawer for the aisle ( under the bed) which I assume is a sunken aisle

that way you can make the bed of to the side now and when you get to old and feable to crawl over it to make it you can shift it to the center.

or for that matter put it on tracks where it can be moved from one side to the other

The U shaped yacht style dinette can also accomidat ethe two "extra seats"   Just something to consider for the seating capacity  vs floor taken up it's the best bang for the buck....and also gived you alot more aisle space which makes you bus feel bigger even with the slide in
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2008, 02:49:23 PM »


 Same age as you Tekebird....... Shocked

Paul it is just like building a two story play house............

  You'll be a hero no matter what  then in time the kids grow and move on
   maybe time then to update the proir build....
   BUT they always remember the wonderful memories of when the project was done.


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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2008, 02:53:29 PM »

having had a bus with a side bed, and at the time I was in my Early 30's....... I didn;t care for it...unfortunatly it was a 35 footer and the build did not permit any adjustement without major redo
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2008, 03:01:02 PM »

I guess having 6 inches more in the br helps as mine is 102 wide! Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2008, 03:40:28 PM »

it does make things a bit nicer.

with two adults and possibly 5 or six kids, I would be awanting to make the space as Roomy feeling as possible.

keep in mind a large prtion of your time in the coach will be traveling and eating, providing you go somewhere that has something other than indoor games to keep kids occupied.

you might also think about 3 bunks high in the bunk arrangement.

The glider type bed above the driver is a unique idea in a coach......affraid it might add to the small feeling in the living area
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2008, 03:45:29 PM »

I personally like an enclosed bathroom.  On my bathroom, I have door going into the bathroom that has the sink and toilet with access to the shower.  The shower also has a hall door so two people could be using the bathroom AND still have anyone else able to walk from the front to the back of the bus.  
Make the rear queen a raised island bed with deep storage underneath.
Take the bunk beds out of the bathroom area and fill up the space with more closet space-no such thing as too much storage.
Then in front make the right side couch a bunk bed (sleeps 2 adults), the left couch a pull out (sleeps 2 adults), the Dinette convertable (sleeps 2 kids), and then the queen (sleeps 2 adults)-so you can sleep 7-8.
If you do not install a slide out (I don't have one and with a 102" wide, I don't miss it) make your kitchen counter top straight.  If you do do a slide out, then the angles will be fine.  My kitchen counter top is 9ft long and simply love it.  Both my wife and I can cook side by side with much room to spare, and also use the dinette for prep work.
These are suggestions, course you'll do as you want.  Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2008, 04:56:58 PM »

Hi Paul,

Looks good! Have you thought of taping off the walls and maybe making some cardboard templates that would make up you furniture, shower etc.? Do all of the measuring first before you start securing the walls.

When I did ours I taped the floor, measured, move the tape etc.. Then went back after a few days and looked everything over. Moved some more tape....You get the idea. Your ideas may change over time. I started building from the back going forward. It's not finished yet but I think I'm pretty close on the placements of everything. We are about half way. Bedroom, closet and bath are finished. This includes a washer/dryer combo in the 8' closet. Now all I have left is the kitchen and living room areas.

By the way, our queen bed is the same as your layout. It does give a wider isle on "My Side". Wife doesn't mind, and we both make up the bed! Grin

Good Luck,

Paul
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2008, 06:01:23 PM »

I like the layout myself,my conversion is for a large family as well the wife and I and 4 children mine will be alot like this one with a few excetions.


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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2008, 06:55:04 PM »

This will be a cut and paste from the link listed, it's how I feel about what I like in a conversion.

http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=3443.msg31162;topicseen#msg31162



I don't know what my dream coach would be like; I think my ideas would change over time as my needs changed. But, I do have some likes and dislikes.
 
I do not like the walk through bathrooms; my coach has a small bathroom with a door. There is enough room for one to do the three S's and change cloths. That leaves the back accessible; with a family of eight, that is important. One neat feature is that the door will swing open and block the front from the bath and the bedroom so that area can be blocked off if needed. Keep it functional, but where you spend the least amount of time dedicate the least amount of space.
 
Another feature I see that I don't like are kitchens that are too large. Plan on what you need and then cut that in half. So many builders get a grand idea that they are going to become a chef and overbuild and waste that area, never using it as planned. When we are on vacation, we don't have the time to make large complicated meals, and when we do, we like to do it outdoors. I have seen some coaches that have slide out kitchens in a bay. I like camp cooking, and we usually do it outside with Dutch ovens. My wife says she cooks enough as it is and vacation is a vacation from cooking for her. I understand that full timers might cook more, but I still think large kitchen areas are a lousy use of space that could be better used elsewhere. The kitchen is a great place to be creative with the counter tops and cabinets. Slide-out or folding counter top prep areas would be a good example of efficient use of limited space.
 
If you put a dinette in, I feel it should be on the passenger side. The side with the dinette usually has the most windows (I like lots of windows), and if used while you travel it's nice not to have to look out over the other lanes of traffic and the gawkers, but instead, see the scenery as it lazily passes by. As a driver, the low dinette and windows makes it easier to see an area that is difficult to see anyways. In addition, if you are at a campground, you want to see your side of the campsite, not your neighbors.
 
Finally, dedicate the most space to where you spend the most time and don't overdo it. Some of the nicest coaches I see are simple, elegant, and practical. Some people don't like dual use areas, but when you have a crowd like I do, it is a necessity. I am going to make the rear bed convertible, a U shaped lounge in the day would give me two living areas so as the adults visit in the front; the children can watch a movie or play games in the back.
 
One of my favorite features of my bus is that it still has the back window. At the beach I go to, the camping sites are directly on the dunes overlooking the water; these sites are back in sites. I love waking up to the eastern sun as it rises above the water, bathing the interior with light, and seeing it all through that big rear window. One day, unless I can find replacement rubber for it (Luke doesn't have it), it will have to come out. That will be a very sad day.

Enough rambling from me now, have fun with your project.
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