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Author Topic: Is this a stupid idea or not?  (Read 3438 times)
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2008, 10:59:57 AM »

To thew Moderators:

I apologize if I was too blunt in my above post to Brian and hope this doesn't get me banned for being so!

I didn't see any problems with your post when I read it.  I was not offended by it.

Your posts have been very helpful for this project.  I was going to tackle the tile myself,  but after spreading glue for the underlayment I realized how hard it would be to get the glue even for the VCT and not have it seep up between the tile.  I further realized that an experienced person could do it in 1/2 or a 1/3 of the time I could do it in.
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2008, 01:56:43 PM »

Ace, I liked it.  Shocked

You answered the question & backed it up with sound reasons & advice based on personal, professional experience.

The reference to your old blunt self was good  Grin  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2008, 02:32:49 PM »

Ace,

I saw no problem with your answer, in fact, most of the time I enjoy your slightly sharp tongue.

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« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2008, 08:02:33 PM »

A friend came over and we ended up removing everything from the bus except the fridge.  My Dina has a elevated cover over the engine so we put the fridge up there.  (The fridge is near impossible to get in or out)  The hanging stuff from the ceiling didn't seem like the best idea and I would have only done it if I couldn't get help.

Ace, what would be your recommendation on how to trim the tile since the space is only 95 1/2" wide?
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2008, 01:02:18 AM »

Declaring ones self blunt or "honest" is usually an excuse for having a lack of tact.  Don't ask me how I know this. Roll Eyes

Tact is the ability to tell a man to "go to heXX" in such a manner that he actually looks forward to the trip. Wink

Ace,

I have given sincere and heart felt apologies that were more harsh than what you said. Embarrassed  You been drink'n? Huh

John
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2008, 08:46:19 AM »

JohnEd,

I think Ace is still a little tender from the thrashing he took here a while back, and hes just wanting to be sure he's ok. and he is.
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2008, 09:15:44 AM »

Jim,

he's OK. and he is.    I said that Huh Grin

Ace,

If I failed to express how much I felt that you had not been offensive....let me begin here. Grin Grin Grin Wink  Naw, I ain't gonna do it. Tongue  We all know you are OK and were just ribbing the moderators. Cool  Except me of course....I thought you were being a ..... well, you know....your usual helpfull and insightfull self. Smiley  Any time you see my foot coming squarely down on my tender part you just bring that to my attention any way you want and I assure you I will say "thankyou".  In fact, even if it is a little mistake on my part....be brutally frank...some need that and on occasion I can be difficult to educate. Shocked  Yeah, even me.  Just imagine.

Thanks for caring Ace,

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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2008, 09:19:52 AM »

Ace,

This NEW Humble strategy seems to be working....... Wink

Oh crap, I thought this was a pm.... Shocked

Nevermind!  Everyone else disregard...... Lips Sealed

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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2008, 09:25:20 AM »

I'm going to chime in on the tile layout thing 'cause I do lots  of tile and I enjoy the layout part the most.  With 95.5" the right way  for me would be to have a full tile o.c. down the center of the bus and have 5 3/4 pieces against each wall, next would be  a full tile on edge down the center of the bus and 11 3/4 against each wall.  Unfortunatly the way I cut VCT is with a tile cracker and all those 1/4 cuts may not work and there is more wastage in the later (the 5 3/4 pieces may also crumble).  the true jobber way to do this would be to have the full tiles down one wall and 11 1/2" ones down the other.  I would not do this unless the bus's interiore layout was not  symetrical with the center line, or even symetrical in general.  i.e. it won't show on the floor layout that the tile lines are not lined against opposite mirrored fixtures/openings etc..
Finally if you are doing a one color design I probably would go the jobber route as no one but you (or me and other OCDs) will ever even notice, and if they do it's because you are driving too slow and they don't have their eyes shut in terror.  
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2008, 09:57:01 AM »

LOL you guys are way too funny! One reason why I like coming here!
I found myself at THAT moment in a low! Been thru a lot lately and was kind of in two places mentally at once! Again, I appologize!

As for zub's way of laying the tile? First off were talking VCT, not ceramic so crumbling is not going to happen. Then you say the jobber way is to put a full tile along one wall. That is the furthest from the truth! The RIGHT way is to chalk a line done the center or close to center to where you end up with equall or almost equall sides measuring roughly 5-6 inches each. The same goes for the front and rear ends. You almost never want a full tile along any one wall.
That's what I meant when I said start in the middle and work from there!
Personally and professionally speaking, I wouldn't lay it straight especially in a bus! I almost always lay it on a 45 degree angle! True it takes more product but it takes the bowling alley look away from it!
Brian to answer your question about trim? The ideas are endless! I wouldn't worry ab out trim until everything else is in! Simple 1/4 round, base board, rough cut planks, vinyl cove base are just a few over the counter ideas! My bus has none just so you know!
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2008, 11:05:34 AM »

Too late now. If you had opposing windows that open 2 2x4x9 could make a temporary "shelf"
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2008, 11:39:00 AM »

   I always snapped center lines front to rear and left to right. This gave me exact center point of the room. Then measure overall width and depth of room. Depending on the dimensions I may start a tile on each side of centerline or center the first tile on the centerline. Whichever gives me a nice size piece on each side and end. With 12" tile centering the tile on the line or placing tile on the edge of the centerline gives you a 6" difference in the dimension of the final piace that is along the wall. 
   Personally, I like Ace's idea of running everything at a 45 degree angle to the centerline of the bus.    Although it takes a little more material, in a small area like a bus, it does not become that much more expensive and sure makes a difference.  At his suggestion, that is the way we ran our ceramic tile in the bathroom and the Australian Cypress in the living/kitchen area. We are very happy with the overall appearance.  Jack
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2008, 03:32:30 PM »

The 45 will work but I personally like something more like a 60 degree angle and arrange it to draw you into the room ( or in this case bus ) but I agree that the angle will keep the bowling alley affect to a minimum.

the 60 or even 75 degree angle will draw a person into the room and you can direct it toward a special or interesting part that you have built in.

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« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2008, 04:01:38 PM »

[quote author=Blacksheep link=topic=9107.msg90414#msg90414 date=1217955
 Then you say the jobber way is to put a full tile along one wall. That is the furthest from the truth! The RIGHT way is to chalk a line done the center or close to center to where you end up with equall or almost equall sides measuring roughly 5-6 inches each. The same goes for the front and rear ends. You almost never want a full tile along any one wall.

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'round here a jobber is a guy who does this all the time, does it cheap and fast per sq ft, not the best way (nor the way I would do it) just the cheapest.  Jobber would also prefer the full tile down one wall as that way there are less cuts to do.  Like Ace said laid out on 45 would look nice in a small space like this but once again if you are putting in one color of vct none of that is going to show much with a decent installation. 
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« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2008, 04:14:22 PM »

Zub not dispute you but a jobber is a pro that does this every day and he sure as hell isn't going to do it the cheap way out unless he's hungry for work.
Let me also dispute your theory on a single color being layed on a 45 not looking good!!!!
And I might ask, just how much floor installation experience do you claim other than for yourself?
Your talking to a pro that has been doing this since 1970 and I have helped decorate floors in many custom designs/materials in multi million dollar homes! Isn't a bus conversion just like a million dollar home? Wink
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