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« on: August 10, 2008, 10:52:16 AM »

hey guys,

Just bought a 1983 mci mc 9 with my band to tour, it runs off veggie oil with a real nice veggie conversion kit. This is my first bus and i have so many questions, but will only ask the important ones. I have been eyeing one of these buses for years on ebay. finally i found a great bus from a friend that gave me a great deal that could not pass up.

My first Huh is insurance, i live in NJ so the insurance prices are high. wondering what companies are some of you out there using.

2nd question, I talked to my friend and he told me not to draw ANY power from the bus batteries. because i was just going to run a power converter off the 2 batteries in there.  what do I do to run the things i need 24/7, when living on the road, like refrigerator AC and TV. Do some of you guys use 2 or 3 deep cycles and run another alternator? because i dont want to have to run my generator all the time, just wondering what the alternitive is.

Thanks for putting up with my newbe questions. This looks like a nice board, im excited to learn from some of the veterans on here!

Thanks a Ton,

peach

p.s. i will post picture when i go pick it up the 15th Smiley

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2008, 11:14:12 AM »

Welcome to the insanity!!  You have found a great group of people who will be glad to help out.  We have a couple of members who live in NJ and will be able to give you some specific information.

Having a second set of batteries ( your house batteries) is a good idea so you don't drain your starting batteries and leave yourself stranded. 

As far as running appliances, you have many options.  You will have to look at the variables and what is best for you.  If your bus still has the original bus air conditioning you can use that while traveling and then other methods when you are parked.  Do you want to use a regular house fridge or are you interested in an RV style that will run off of propane or DC?  A television should run off of your house bank of batteries with no problem. 

Whether you chose rooftop, basement or mini split air conditioners, none of them will run for very long just using batteries.  If you don't have the original bus air you will need to run your generator to run your a/c.

As far as charging your house batteries, again there are many options.  At this point we will let the smart guys who can actually tell you how to make these things work take over.

Again welcome.  One thing you might consider is putting your location and what type of bus you have in your signature.  It will make it much easier for your questions to get answered.

Good Luck,

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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2008, 01:17:27 PM »

Peach,

Food for thought:

1.  Your bus has a 24 volt system and a hefty alternator to charge those massive 24 volt batteries.  It makes some sense to use 24 volts for your "house" system.  Then you can charge them when underway from the motor alternator.  If you don't do this you will have to install a VERY large 12 volt alternator on your engine in addition to the 24 volt item.  These bats want 100 amps to charge up in any reasonable time.

2.  To keep yourself powered up on 120V AC you will need and "inverter" that makes AC from your bat DC.  You want a "good" one that puts out 120 to 140 amps of DC charge when connected to AC.  You NEED a 2.5KW inverter at a minimum and it needs to be a quality item.  Your cost should be from $550 to $800.  If you are going to run electronics such as TV and computer you will need a full "Sine Wave" inverter and then the price almost doubles.  The alternative is a "modified sine wave" unit and some of them "eat" electronics devices...I am told. 

3.  You will have a need for 12 volts for something.  Often a 12 v powered item will be way cheaper  that an identical item that uses 24 volts.  The device that makes 12 volts out of 24 is called a "Vanner equalizer".  You have to determin your 12 volt needs as the price goes up dramatically as you move up in current carrying capacity.

4.  You need over the road air conditioning.  Best is a compressor driven from the engine.  You can get enough AC from you inverter to drive two roof units but it will be expensive to purchase. 

Installation is extra and your milage may vary.(YMMV)

Just food for thought and to get you started on those more specific questions.

You were asked if you are going to use a home refridg. or were going to use an RV item powered by propane?  Answer that...if you can.

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 02:50:45 PM »

Peach,
I am in Ocean City, but work in Camden If I can lend assistance in any manner.
You might want to do some short term ( immediate) planning & longer term planning as to what you need/want to accomplish in your coach. Funds may be limiting in that schedule,( they are in mine).

For an inverter you may want to check out Tec Power in Point Pleasant. This guy was very helpful and had great prices on refurbished equipment. His name is Chris, but phone number is at work.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2008, 03:25:26 PM »

Progressive Insurance for RV type insurance.  I was going to tell you about my system, but my bus is straight 12v. Good Luck, TomC
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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2008, 04:34:47 PM »

i'd get a quote from a few insurance companies.  make sure you set the deductible as high as you can afford, like $1000 or more, which means you pick up the first $1000. of any claim.  get a statement of value of the bus from a "qualified" source and take pictures of the inside so you have proof of what you are carrying in case of fire/theft/accident.
we pay less than $500 per year, but i'm told ohio is a cheap state. we've got the bus insured for about $180k based on a "qualified" appraisal.

if you are using it for making money, like with a paid band, be careful of the insurance.   a business use is more expensive, but telling them its a motorhome may get cheaper insurance, but no coverage when they find out what it is, if you have an accident.  my agent is well aware of what we do with our bus.

we did just put in an inverter/charger with 6 golf cart type deep cycle 6v batteries.  2500w.  runs most of the things like phone chargers, tv, coffee pot, lights and water pump.  we don't try to run A/C, water heater, frig or any of our electric heaters.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2008, 04:55:08 PM »

John,

Thank you so much for your response.  It helped a ton.  I now just need a little bit of help putting all that information together, since I am not too educated with electricity.  

So if I understood correctly what you have said, the most simple way to do this would be to make sure things like lights, fridge, microwave and any other appliances and so forth are 24v.  and just add up all the watts and purchase a 24v inverter sufficiant enough to power that.  and as long as things that are hooked up arent items like tv's and computers....modified sine wave would be okay?

Though my question with that is what do you recommend as a system for house power when the coach is parked?

Now with things like laptop chargers and cellphone chargers would i be able to run them off the 24v inverter as well?  because i am a little confused....as i look at my laptop charger it says ac input 100-240V.....like i said, i am very slowly beggining to process all of this math in my head as far as what will work and how....but seeing voltage other than 12 and 24 pop up is confusing me.

If it makes it any easier,  here is a list of what we will eventually need powered in the coach (none of which i have yet besides the fridge):

Lights: I plan on installing recessed lighting throughout the coach for the house lights
Appliances: Mini Fridge (which is home one, 120v), Microwave, Toaster
Electronics: Flatscreen TV (maybe 2 eventually), xbox, laptop and cellphone chargers, and i plan on wiring outlets in each one of the planned 8 bunks for things like portable dvd players, again cellphone chargers and so forth.


Ultimately, what i am looking for is the easiest and least complex, as well as cheapest route to do this successfully.

Again, voltage is confusing me a little bit....

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2008, 07:42:17 PM »

this is somewhat off topic, but did you do the veggie conversion or get it in oberlin, oh?
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 08:31:05 PM »

the veggie conversion was done in Missouri.  The last owner had it done i believe by these guys http://www.goldenfuelsystems.com/  but i am not 100% positive
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 06:02:12 AM »

Not sure what was confusing, so I just pulled the whole post.

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« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 07:22:50 AM »

Hey Tenor you might want to go in and edit that post before you really confuse the guy.
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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 07:37:43 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 08:14:20 PM »

Peach -- The entertainer buses run their generators 24-7 while they are on tour, shutting them down only once a week or so to change the oil.  I know that is not your preference, but it's the only way to have nice cold air all the time and to keep the refrigerators running.  (You don't want to be in the bus parking lot on the Warped tour, where you will find about 100 buses, all with their generators banging away.)  You do not say what type of generator setup you have, but if it is one of the larger diesel rigs putting out 12kwh or more, it should handle the long durations without a problem.  I don't have experience with long term running on smaller units or gas powered generators.  I often run my 15kw diesel for days on end without problems.

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2008, 08:40:47 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2008, 09:28:32 PM »

now is it more efficient to buy a diesel generator and run that 24/7, or buy batteries that charge when you are in motion, and then draw from them when you are parked.

also, entertainer coaches that run generators 24/7....do those generators provide power as well for items such as lights and other small things that don't really draw much power....or is literally everything hooked up to those generators

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2008, 06:01:30 AM »

now is it more efficient to buy a diesel generator and run that 24/7, or buy batteries that charge when you are in motion, and then draw from them when you are parked.

also, entertainer coaches that run generators 24/7....do those generators provide power as well for items such as lights and other small things that don't really draw much power....or is literally everything hooked up to those generators

-peach
Without going into all the numbers, you couldn't carry enough batteries to run the air for more than an hour or so without the engine running.  A good quality diesel generator is the only practical way to go.
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2008, 06:07:59 AM »

now is it more efficient to buy a diesel generator and run that 24/7, or buy batteries that charge when you are in motion, and then draw from them when you are parked.
also, entertainer coaches that run generators 24/7....do those generators provide power as well for items such as lights and other small things that don't really draw much power....or is literally everything hooked up to those generators
-peach

This varies. I have driven entertainer coaches that relied strictly on the generator for all conversion electric including lights, TVs, stoves, AC, etc. I have also driven entertainers that had inverter/chargers and battery banks that powered all small loads and only relied on the generator to charge the batteries (when the bus engine is not running) and for providing power to larger items such as ACs and stove.  Some of the coaches use 12 volt lighting, some used 120 volt lighting, and some used a combination of 12 & 120 volt lights (combination is best in my opinion).  Jack
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2008, 08:08:07 AM »

Hi Peach,

Welcome!

Your bus needs to be set up for your groups needs and not other's needs. Or, you may find yourself spending lots of unnessary $$$.

A good referance to follow would be how entertainer coaches needs are met.

A big genset is important when sitting in a parking lot for a few days at a gig.

If you need help with the installation and hardware, please feel free to call me.

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 08:51:46 AM »

Thank you guys so much for your help. 

Nick, I will be definitely be giving you a call for some advice down the road.  I'm from the Flemington area. Right now I am flying out to pick up the bus in missouri on friday,  and we leave for tour at the end of the month.  With alot on my plate, i probably wont be getting into much besides building temporary bunks for this tour.  We get back in early october so i plan on doing a major overhaul then.

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 08:53:18 AM »

Thank you guys so much for your help. 

Nick, I will be definitely be giving you a call for some advice down the road.  I'm from the Flemington area. Right now I am flying out to pick up the bus in missouri on friday,  and we leave for tour at the end of the month.  With alot on my plate, i probably wont be getting into much besides building temporary bunks for this tour.  We get back in early october so i plan on doing a major overhaul then.

Peach

Peach where at in Misery are ya picking up yer bus? Just curious. Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2008, 09:43:59 AM »

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2008, 10:04:20 AM »

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Wow cool that is only about 62 miles as the crow flies from me, by crossing the Hickman ferry. (not highly rec comended in a bus, unless you are used to it!) or about 102 miles by HWY!
Your more than welcome to swing by if ya want. Be glad to look it over for ya. Where ya flying into? Someone picking you up? Renting a car? Again just curious and looking to see if theres anyway we can be of help! Feel free to call!
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2008, 05:55:00 PM »

Bryce,

I appreciate your offer a ton.  I may end up taking you up on that.  I will let you know as soon as possible...i thought i would be flying out this friday but some work is still being done to the bus so i'm not sure when it will be done.  Being i have a 2 day drive back home, and a festival in north carolina we are playing on the 21st which is another 1 day drive, everything is being cut super close.  however, if i have some spare time i would love to stop by and chat.

How much would you charge for looking over the bus?

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 08:13:13 PM »

Bryce,

I appreciate your offer a ton.  I may end up taking you up on that.  I will let you know as soon as possible...i thought i would be flying out this friday but some work is still being done to the bus so i'm not sure when it will be done.  Being i have a 2 day drive back home, and a festival in north carolina we are playing on the 21st which is another 1 day drive, everything is being cut super close.  however, if i have some spare time i would love to stop by and chat.

How much would you charge for looking over the bus?

Peach

HELLO Peach!!  Shocked   May I ax where in NC you have a 'festival' gig on the 21st?  What sort of music do you play? 
Always interested in music and buses!   
Attending music thingies is about all we do with our bus...
BTW, Bryce would be an excellent choice to look at your bus.  He knows his....stuff. 
As is offered to all busnuts peoples, if you find yourself in  the Charlotte, NC area, I've got a place to park, or make repairs.   Should you need such... Huh
Ya'll check out that bus carefully.   Expect to pay for a good bit of diesel fuel.  Unless you're signed up for one of the WVO co-ops, you ain't going to find enough WVO in developed areas (some of the South is pretty developed, and most WVO tanks are now locked up for obvious reasons) to power your generator, notwithstanding your traction motor.   
Forget running exotic batteries and fancy inverters, etc... for a band bus.  As has been stated, expect to run the genset, enjoy the AC, and budget about a gallon an hour for the pleasure.   Almost all entertainers run the genset 24/7 while the bus is in use during hot weather.  You may beat this in the fall and winter, but not during summer weather. 
If your bus doesn't have a genset, Nick will fix you up.  There is no less expensive method to survive in a band bus.  The 'white noise' generated by generators soothes edgy people too.   Wink
Not to seem negative, but do you plan to insure your bus as an RV or private coach?  If so, be careful with signage, and merchandising from the coach.  This is a complicated issue rife with pitfalls.  Does your 'driver' have a CDL with a pax endorsement?   
If not registered as  commercial, treat the bus as you would your parents RV...assumning you borrowed same for a road trip.   Be careful! 
Don't drive into weigh stations...should the urge strike you.  Busses do not do weigh stations.
If you sell one CD from the coach, it is considered a 'commercial' vehicle and subject to apportioned registration ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$), requiring commercial insurance ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$). 
Both DOT and the tax guys will rip you on these issues if anything happens that gets their attention. 
Be certain that the bus is serviced and roadworthy. 
While I'm being negative... Embarrassed, if you're not familiar with using WVO, be advised, NEVER shut the bus or genset down while running on WVO.   If you do so, fire it back up and run diesel fuel thru the system.   Otherwise, you  ain't gonna start either engine once it cools. 

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2008, 09:14:20 PM »

Hey man,

The festival is in Pilot Moutain.  We are very much so on the heavy side and are a christian band as well.  www.myspace.com/iamalphaandomega  in case you want to check out some loud music with lots of screaming  Tongue

We are not signed up for any WVO coops, but i'm sure if we show up to a resturant even that has a contract, the right manager on duty and being super nice may cause them to make some exceptions :-)  Our tour dates will be done at the end of this week as well, so i will begin calling ahead of time to try to arrange WVO pickups as well.

We plan on registering it as an RV, and the driver does not have a CDL.

Which actually leads me to another question....what are the ups and downs to this?  Last I heard from a friend who used to drive trucks is that having a CDL could be a bad thing, being that lets say something happens, even if it is not your fault, since you have a CDL alot of things would be, as you are regarded as having a higher standard of training and should have avoided the incident.

No merchandising from the coach will be done.  It will be used strictly as transportation.  Now if we by any chance do happen to sell something out of our trailer....is that considered the coach as well?
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2008, 09:47:17 PM »

Bryce,

I appreciate your offer a ton.  I may end up taking you up on that.  I will let you know as soon as possible...i thought i would be flying out this friday but some work is still being done to the bus so i'm not sure when it will be done.  Being i have a 2 day drive back home, and a festival in north carolina we are playing on the 21st which is another 1 day drive, everything is being cut super close.  however, if i have some spare time i would love to stop by and chat.

How much would you charge for looking over the bus?

Peach

Peach just let me know if I can be of any assistance and when! As far as giving the bus a good ene to end & bottom to top look over..... Well let me just say that'd be my gift to you busnut to busnut! Now if it needs any repairs then we talk $. Now rest assured I ain't gonna get into your pocket, before warining ya what ya looking at. Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2008, 05:42:49 AM »

We plan on registering it as an RV, and the driver does not have a CDL.
     No merchandising from the coach will be done.  It will be used strictly as transportation.  Now if we by any chance do happen to sell something out of our trailer....is that considered the coach as well?

    Don't have the bus lettered with your band name. A friend did that with his Eagle.  Lonesome Whistle Band was put on the back of the bus.  He got stopped on the PA Turnpike and asked for a CDL. He explained that it was a family band, all on board were immediate family. Officer asked if they had any Cd's for sale on the Bus?  He said "of course, every band carries Cd's".  Officer gave him a warning and told him to be sure and get a CDL when he got home to GA.  They no longer have any lettering on the outside of their coach. 
   Insurance could be a sticky subject if you are involved in an accident and insurance company finds the bus was used as a band bus.  Only you can decide if if it worth the chance.  Jack
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2008, 06:47:44 AM »

we sell at shows, but there is nothing on the side of the bus.  we pull an express van that does have magnetic signs.  we try to remember to pull them off but we've never been stopped.  i think the pennsylvania cop was having a quiet day and needed someone to hassle for a minute.
insurance is another issue.  i think i posted some comments earlier on what to watch.

our earlier RV was listed in company name, had lettering on the side with the phone number, and we sold right out of it under the awning.  our current bus is in my name, leased to the company, and we use it the same way.  no lettering on the side, though.  and i made sure the insurance agent knows full well how it's used.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2008, 11:18:14 AM »

Our band is not registered as a business at this point....would that still be considered a 'band bus' then, or would they more look at it like a group of friends that drive around in a bus
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2008, 12:55:03 PM »

If there are no signs on the outside and bus is registered as a motorhome in an individuals name, probably never be a problem. As you said, without lettering, it is a privately owned RV and it is jsut a group of friends traveling together. Make sure it is registered as a motorhome/RV with DMV. If it is registered as a bus, that can change everything.  Jack
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2008, 01:57:07 PM »

Unless you have enough bucks to start your own bank, going commercial isn't an option.  Cost would be in the thousands anually.
Very likely you won't be able to insure the coach for comprehensive coverage.  You 'friends' may want to consider some sort of personal insurance on valuable instruments, 'fex and sound equipment.   Leave the bus unattended at rock music festivals and I'll garuntee your $#!+ will be stolen.   
Liability only is probably what you'll end up with.   
No special license is required to operate a 'motorhome'...but, technically, the minute you move your band members from one paying gig to another, the bus is...technically...in commercial operation.  Not sure that the insurance agent really wants to know what you're doing.  As when registering the bus, don't volunteer any info.  Don't use the word 'bus'...use camper, or RV, or motorhome...or POS...anything but 'bus.'  The agent is responsible for asking the correct questions...you're not an insurance expert...?  Neither do you want to overtly misrepresent facts.  That'll get your insurance voided if you make a claim.   You're obliged to accurately (if limited) answer insurance and registration questions. 
You may be required to prove that the 'RV' has certain RV appointments before the state will alter the reg to motorhome status.  Be prepared if that comes up.  Don't balk...just get busy and find some cheap RV conversion components and install.     
Plan on buying a service manual for the bus, powerplant, and genset.  keep in with you when traveling. 
Don't count on the fuel guage until you're familiar with the accuracy of said guage.
The bus, if it doesn't have an auxilliary fuel tank (big box in the front bay), holds about 120 gallons of useable fuel. 
NEVER run out of fuel.  I'd keep that sucker at least half full all the time. 
Running out of fuel in a car is a PITA.  Running out of fuel in an MC9 is a major PITA. 
Hope you of you guys is a mechanic!   Working on that bus will add to your ability to create screams for your 'metal' art... Wink
If y'all have never driven a bus or truck, that's another subject.  Just getting the park brake off requires prior knowledge.
Be very careful with your new toy.  You'l quickly get acclimated, but the opportunity for castastrophe is high early on. 
Always keep up with RH turns in tight areas.   

Good luck dudes, JR   
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