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Author Topic: Some MCI Factory Specs.  (Read 6958 times)
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« on: June 15, 2006, 02:52:37 PM »

102C3


DIMENSIONS
Overall Length: 40 ft
 
Overall Width: 102 in
Overall Height: Approximately 11 ft
Wheelbase: 285 in
Approximate Vehicle Weight: 27,250 lb

SPECIFICATIONS
Engine : Six cylinder DDC 6V-92TA two-cycle diesel developing 300 HP at 2100 RPM
Eight cylinder DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 280 HP at 2100 RPM
Eight cylinder DDC 8V-92TA two-cycle diesel developing 400 HP at 2100 RPM
Transmission: Manual: Fuller T-11605D (five forward and one reverse)
Automatic: Allison HT740 (four forward and one reverse)
Brakes: Service: Air operated two shoe service brakes are installed at each axle.
Emergency: Air operated Bendix-Westinghouse DD-3 emergency and parking brakes are used at rear driving axle.
Clutch: Self-adjusting, dry disc type, 15.5" diameter, with air assist (Fuller 5-speed trans.)
Electrical: 24 volt negative ground. Two heavy duty 29 plate, 225 ampere hour capacity batteries. (Front headlights - dual halogen - 12 volt lamps).
Air Conditioning: 6 cylinder compressor, driven by a self adjusting belt drive off the main engine.
Seats: 47 or 49 passenger recliners with restroom
Parcel Racks: Inside parcel racks - 103.75 cu. ft.
Luggage Compartments: Underfloor enclosed compartments - 319 cu. ft.
Fuel Tank: 156 gallon capacity or 190 gallons with auxiliary
Suspension: Air ride type, which operates automatically and maintaines a constant ride height
Steering: Hydraulic - power steering is standard
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2006, 02:54:30 PM »

102A3

DIMENSIONS 
Overall Length: 40 ft
 
Overall Width: 102 in 
Overall Height:  Approximately 11 ft 
Wheelbase: 285 in
Approximate Vehicle Weight:  27,250 lb 
   
SPECIFICATIONS
Engine :  Six cylinder DDC 6V-92TA two-cycle diesel developing 300 HP at 2100 RPM
Eight cylinder DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 280 HP at 2100 RPM
Eight cylinder DDC 8V-92TA two-cycle diesel developing 400 HP at 2100 RPM 
Transmission: Manual: Fuller T-11605D (five forward and one reverse)
Automatic: Allison HT740 (four forward and one reverse)
Brakes: Service: Air operated two shoe service brakes are installed at each axle.
Emergency: Air operated Bendix-Westinghouse DD-3 emergency and parking brakes are used at rear driving axle. 
Clutch: Self-adjusting, dry disc type, 15.5" diameter, with air assist (Fuller 5-speed trans.)
Electrical: 24 volt negative ground. Two heavy duty 29 plate, 225 ampere hour capacity batteries. (Front headlights - dual halogen - 12 volt lamps). 
Air Conditioning: 6 cylinder compressor, driven by a self adjusting belt drive off the main engine.
Seats: 43, 47 or 49 passenger recliners with restroom 
Parcel Racks:  Inside parcel racks - 106 cu. ft. 
Luggage Compartments:  Underfloor enclosed compartments - 319 cu. ft. 
Fuel Tank:  148 gallon capacity or 190 gallons with auxiliary 
Suspension: Air ride type, which operates automatically and maintaines a constant ride height 
Steering: Hydraulic - power steering is standard 
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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2006, 02:55:52 PM »

96A3

DIMENSIONS 
Overall Length: 40 ft
 
Overall Width: 96 in 
Overall Height:  Approximately 11 ft 
Wheelbase: 285 in
Approximate Vehicle Weight:  27,600 lb 
   
SPECIFICATIONS
Engine :  Six cylinder DDC 6V-92TA two-cycle diesel developing 300 HP at 2100 RPM
Eight cylinder DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 280 HP at 2100 RPM
Eight cylinder DDC 8V-92TA two-cycle diesel developing 400 HP at 2100 RPM 
Transmission: Manual: Fuller T-11605D (five forward and one reverse)
Automatic: Allison HT740 (four forward and one reverse)
Automatic: Allison HT754 (five forward and one reverse) 
Brakes: Service: Air operated two shoe service brakes are installed at each axle.
Emergency: Air operated Bendix-Westinghouse DD-3 emergency and parking brakes are used at rear driving axle. 
Clutch: Self-adjusting, dry disc type, 15.5" diameter, with air assist (Fuller 5-speed trans.)
Electrical: 24 volt negative ground. Two heavy duty 29 plate, 225 ampere hour capacity batteries. (Front headlights - dual halogen - 12 volt lamps). 
Air Conditioning: 6 cylinder compressor, driven by a self adjusting belt drive off the main engine.
Seats: 43, 47 or 49 passenger recliners with restroom 
Parcel Racks:  Inside parcel racks - 106 cu. ft. 
Luggage Compartments:  Underfloor enclosed compartments - 300 cu. ft. 
Fuel Tank:  144 gallon capacity or 181 gallons with auxiliary 
Suspension: Air ride type, which operates automatically and maintaines a constant ride height 
Steering: Hydraulic - power steering is standard 
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2006, 02:57:05 PM »

MC9

DIMENSIONS 
Overall Length: 40 ft
 
Overall Width: 8 ft 
Overall Height:  Approximately 11 ft 
Wheelbase: 285 in
Approximate Vehicle Weight:  27,500 lb 
   
SPECIFICATIONS
Engine :  Six cylinder DDC 6V-92TA two-cycle developing 277 HP at 2100 RPM
Eight cylinder DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 280 HP at 2100 RPM
Transmission: Manual: Dana Model 8844A (four forward and one reverse)
Manual: Fuller T-11605D (five forward and one reverse)
Automatic: Allison HT740 (four forward and one reverse)
Automatic: Allison HT754 (five forward and one reverse) 
Brakes: Service: Air operated two shoe service brakes are installed at each axle.
Emergency: Air operated Bendix-Westinghouse DD-3 emergency and parking brakes are used at rear driving axle. 
Clutch: Two plate dry disc type, 15" diameter, with air assist (on Dana 4-speed trans. and on Fuller 5-speed trans.) 
Electrical: 24 volt negative ground. Two heavy duty 29 plate, 220 ampere hour capacity batteries. (Front headlights - dual seal beam - 12 volt lamps). 
Air Conditioning: 6 cylinder compressor, belt driven oby self adjusting belt drive off the main engine 
Seats: 43, 47 or 49 passenger recliners with restroom 
Parcel Racks:  Inside parcel racks - 122 cu. ft. 
Luggage Compartments:  Underfloor enclosed compartments - 300 cu. ft. 
Fuel Tank:  140 gallon capacity or 168.6 gallons with auxiliary 
Suspension: Air ride type, which operates automatically and maintaines a constant ride height 
Steering: Hydraulic - power steering is standard 
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2006, 02:58:07 PM »

MC8

DIMENSIONS 
Overall Length: 40 ft
 
Overall Width: 8 ft 
Overall Height:  10 ft 10 in 
Wheelbase: 285 in
Approximate Vehicle Weight:  26,760 lb 
   
SPECIFICATIONS
Engine :  Eight cylinder DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 285 HP at 2150 RPM
Transmission: Manual: Dana Model 8844A (four forward and one reverse)
Automatic: Allison HT740 (four forward and one reverse) 
Brakes: Service: Air operated two shoe service brakes are installed at each axle.
Emergency: Air operated Bendix-Westinghouse DD-3 emergency and parking brakes are used at rear driving axle. 
Clutch: Two plate dry disc type, 15" diameter, with air assist 
Electrical: 24 volt negative ground. Two heavy duty 25 plate, 204 ampere hour capacity batteries 
Air Conditioning: 3 cylinder compressor, belt driven off the main engine 
Seats: 43, 47 or 49 passenger recliners with restroom 
Parcel Racks:  Inside parcel racks - 109 cu. ft. 
Luggage Compartments:  Underfloor enclosed compartments - 300 cu. ft. 
Fuel Tank:  144 gallon capacity 
Suspension: Air ride type, which operates automatically and maintaines a constant ride height 
Steering: Hydraulic - power steering is standard 
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2006, 03:18:58 PM »

Does anybody by chance know the years of manufacture of the different models?
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2006, 03:39:37 PM »

Per Modern Intercity Coaches by Latrry Plachno

MC-7     68-73
MC-8     73-78
MC-9     78-93?
96A3     85-91
102A3   85-93
102C3   91-93
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2006, 04:11:14 PM »

What about us little MC5'ers.  Are we to be relagated to being Orphan's?  We're still part of the MCI family as far as I can recall! Wink

It's be like leaving the 4104 and 4106's out of the GM family.   We're hurt! Cry

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2006, 04:20:58 PM »

I don't have the specs, but here are the years made.
MC-1   56-60
MC-2   60-61
MC-3   61-63
MC-4   63
MC-5   64
MC-5A 64-71
MC-5B 71-77
MC-5C 77-80
                           
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2006, 04:23:19 PM »

Thanks Jack,  (while wiping the tears from his eyes) Just didn't want to be left out.  Wink

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2006, 06:03:08 PM »

Don't forget the MCI models made from 1935 to 1960 (overlapping the MC 1 and 2)
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2006, 06:16:33 PM »

and the mc6 the first of the 40 footers
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2006, 06:20:42 PM »

OK,  Found some more

MCI 5 Bus    1950's - 1967     
Advantages - Inexpensive if you can find one.
Disadvantages - most have rust problems, 35' length limits interior room
Notes - manual 4 speed transmission
Conversion Issues - 35' long
Specifications - Length: 35 feet, Width: 96 inches, Height: 120 inches, Wheelbase: 261 inches, Turn radius: 46 feet, Typical Engines: DDA 8V-71, Seating: 39-45, Luggage: 212 cubic feet, Aisle width: 14 inches, Front door width: 24 inches

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2006, 06:37:38 PM »



MCI 7 Bus    1968 - 1973     
Advantages - Inexpensive if you can find one, redesigned with stainless steel in the sub-frame/engine area and skins, larger baggage area than MCI 6
Disadvantages - age makes some body parts hard to find
Notes - has strong obvious roof dip which many think dates the coach
Conversion Issues - inexpensive option, center isle depressed 4 to 5 inches
Specifications - Length: 40 feet, Width: 96 inches, Height: 129 inches, Wheelbase: 285 inches, Turn radius: 46 feet, Typical Engines: DDA 8V-71, Seating: 43-49, Luggage: 325 cubic feet, Aisle width: 14 inches, Front door width: 24 inches

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2006, 06:40:01 PM »



MCI 8 Bus    1973 - 1978     
Advantages - Inexpensive if you can find one, added more stainless steel in the sub-frame/engine area, ss skins
Disadvantages - age makes some body parts hard to find, baggage doors cable counter balanced, doors cantilevered upward, when cables break they can injure the operators back severely.
Notes - also called "Crusader", has less obvious roof dip, destination sign mounted inside the coach behind the windshield, original MC-8 had slanted windows with a wide blank panel midway, later years did not have this configuration
Conversion Issues - inexpensive option
Specifications - Length: 40 feet, Width: 96 inches, Height: 130 inches, Wheelbase: 285 inches, Turn radius: 46 feet, Typical Engines: Eight cylinder DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 285 HP at 2150 RPM, Transmission: Manual: Dana Model 8844A, Automatic: Allison HT740, Seating: 43-49, Luggage: 300 cubic feet, interior parcel racks - 109 cubic feet, Aisle width: 14 inches, Front door width: 24 inches, Vehicle Weight: 26,760 pounds, two shoe air brakes on each axle, Fuel Tank: 144 gallon, Suspension: Air ride automatically maintains even ride height
Steering: Hydraulic power steering
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2006, 04:52:55 AM »

OK, here are the other MCI models and years built
MCI Model 95   53-60
MCI Model 96   56-60
MC-6               69-70
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2006, 05:18:40 AM »

I see someone listed the 102C3 as being made from 91-93.  I just did some searching and found several 1988 102C3s for sale.  I have no idea if 93 was the last year or not.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2006, 05:27:35 AM »

Wasn't there an MC-12 model?  I think it was a slightly updated -9.

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2006, 06:10:12 AM »

Wasn't there an MC-12 model?  I think it was a slightly updated -9.

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Yes, in my search in looking for my future coach i found this sight http://www.4mymc12.com/ .   all they sell are mc12's
     
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2006, 06:25:16 AM »

Hey Nick, What about the 96A2 and 102A2?

An interesting note, the 96's had 144 gallon fuel tanks and the 102's had 156 gallon fuel tanks.

A3's had about a 5' tighter turning radius, but if you weren't careful would scrub tires on the tag.

Payload Capacity for a 96A2 was 10,500 lbs. For a 96A3 was 9500lbs, although the 96A2 was 1000 lbs lighter, the A3 had a tag axle that should have allowed more payload.

Payload Capacity for a 102A2 was 10,260 lbs. but for a 102A3 was 9,250. see above for the 96 differences.

GVW for the 96 series was 36,800. For a 102 series was 37,800 no matter if it had tags or not, the GVW was the same.

I think if I were to look at getting an MCI, (God Forbid), I'd look for an A2 model.

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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2006, 06:33:27 AM »

Yes, in my search in looking for my future coach i found this sight http://http://www.4mymc12.com/ . all they sell are mc12's


The MC-12s were exclusive to Greyhound.  Greyhound's website says they have 450, but that may be before they sold off a bunch of them.  I wonder if Greyhound is replacing these MC-12s or if these sales are the result of route cutbacks over the last year or two?

I wouldn't buy an MC-12 at any price after seeing some of the ones for sale in Chicago.  They looked pretty beat up and have lots and lots of miles.  They aren't very old in years, but the design is basically from the late 1970s and they have a ton of miles for the years.  They are generally priced pretty high for what you are getting.

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Wasn't there an MC-12 model?  I think it was a slightly updated -9.



Here's the Cliff's Notes version of the Reader's Digest version about the differences between an MC-9 and an MC-12:

The MC-12 is basically a 96A3 below the floor and an MC-9 above.

For more details, see Larry Plachno's book "Modern Intercity Coaches".

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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2006, 08:55:49 AM »

was the "D" series the first of the mci 45footers ?
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was the "D" series the first of the mci 45footers ?



No, the "E" was, designed from the ground-up as a forty-five from the get-go.  MCI stretched the D after the introduction of the "E".  You can still get the D in both 40 and 45 foot lengths.  All the "J"s are 45, btw.

MCI's entire product line can be seen on their website, including specs.  www.ridemci.com

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« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2006, 06:04:59 PM »

Anyone considering an "A2" may wish to consider the additional turning radius of the two axle bus.  Other than that, the A2 would make a great coach...and be easier on costs of toll roads.

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2006, 06:08:09 PM »

Anyone considering an "A2" may wish to consider the additional turning radius of the two axle bus.  Other than that, the A2 would make a great coach...and be easier on costs of toll roads.

Cheers, JR


If I were to be looking for an MCI, I'd look at the A2. It's a bus, so tight turning is not required
I can always back and fill.
Besides, isn't there more bay space in the A2's?

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« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2006, 06:54:21 PM »

I found some great information on MCI's the other day while surfing around.  Try this site  http://busforsaleguide.com/mci.htm

Here is an example of the stuff you'll find. This list was too long.  It includes everything from the MC-5 to the MCI J4500.

MCI Bus Model Chart

MCI 12 Bus    1992 - 1998    
Advantages - great value, high quality, designed for 30 years/3 million miles, sub-frame/engine area 90% stainless steel/aluminum, easy to find parts, after market parts and body upgrade kits available
Disadvantages - popularity increases price
Notes - different roof cap and updated tail light group, otherwise quite similiar to the MCI 9, flat roof and square windows continued
Conversion Issues - squarer roof important for looks and extra space, 96" wide

MCI 102A2 Bus    1985 - 1992    
Advantages - great value, high quality, designed for 30 years/3 million miles, sub-frame/engine area 90% stainless steel/aluminum, easy to find parts, after market parts and body upgrade kits available
Disadvantages - popularity increases price
Notes - 102A2 means 102" side with 2 axles, no tag axle, lighter than the 102A3
Conversion Issues - good for light conversions (no towing)
Specifications - Length: 40 feet, Width: 102 inches, Height: 133 inches, Wheelbase: 310 inches, Turn radius: 48 feet, Typical Engines: DDA 8V-71 and DDA 6V-92TA, Seating: 53, Luggage: 362 cubic feet, Aisle width: 14 inches, Front door width: 24 inches


MCI 102A3 Bus    1985 - 1992    
Advantages - great value, high quality, designed for 30 years/3 million miles, sub-frame/engine area 90% stainless steel/aluminum, easy to find parts, after market parts and body upgrade kits available
Disadvantages - popularity increases price
Notes - 102A3 means 102" side with 3 axles, heavier than the 102A2, only the passenger section of the bus was widened, with front windshield and assembly remaining 96-inches wide, body widens at an angle from the drive backwards
Conversion Issues - good for all conversions
Specifications - Length: 40 feet, Width: 102 inches, Height: 133 inches, Wheelbase: 285 inches, Turn radius: 44 feet, Typical Engines: DDA 8V-71, DDA 6V-92TA, DDA 8V-92TA, Seating: 43-49, Luggage: 319 cubic feet, Aisle width: 14 inches, Front door width: 24 inches

MCI 102B3 Bus    1991 - 1993    
Advantages - great value, high quality, designed for 30 years/3 million miles, sub-frame/engine area 90% stainless steel/aluminum, easy to find parts, after market parts and body upgrade kits available
Disadvantages - popularity increases price
Notes - 102B3 means 102" side with 3 axles
Conversion Issues - good for all conversions


MCI 102C3 Bus    1987 - 1993    
Advantages - series 60 engine, fully paintable exterior, more passenger headroom, improved parcel racks, higher grade than A model, tilt and telescopic steering wheel, designed for 30 years/3 million miles, easy to find parts
Disadvantages - engine compartments too small to accommodate 60 series engine (for those wanting to repower)
Notes - called bullet proof due to outstanding operating performance, 40' length
Conversion Issues - can be expensive, three inches higher than the A-series
Specifications - Length: 40 feet, Width: 102 inches, Height: 132 inches, Wheelbase: 285 inches, Turn radius: 51 feet, Typical Engines: six cylinder DDC 6V-92TA two-cycle developing 300 HP at 2100 RPM, eight cylinder DDC 8V-71 two-cycle diesel developing 280 HP at 2100 RPM, eight cylinder DDC 8V-92TA two-cycle diesel developing 400 HP at 2100 RPM, Transmission: Manual: Fuller T-11605D (five speed plus reverse), Automatic: Allison HT740 (four speed plus reverse), Seating: 47-49, Luggage: 319 cubic feet, interior parcel racks - 104 cubic feet, Aisle width: 14 inches, Front door width: 24 inches, Vehicle Weight: 27,250 pounds, two shoe air brakes on each axle, Fuel Tank: 156 gallon or 190 gallon, Suspension: Air ride automatically maintains even ride height, Steering: Hydraulic power steering


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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2006, 07:44:27 AM »

Went and looked at this site.  While informative, not completely accurate.  They list the MCI-6 as a 96" when it was the first 102" wide made.  They list the 102C3 as first good for a Series 60 then further down says the engine compartment is too tight for the Series 60.
But my question is, why do they say that the 102A2 is not good for towing?  It has the same 23,000lb axle (which is a beast of an axle.  In trucks, this axle is rated for 130,000lb GCW!).  Is it that they don't feel it would be stable enough without the tag?  Or is it that the engine compartment structure won't take it? Don't quite understand that one. I know it would have plenty of carrying capacity.  My transit (which are generally built heavier than the highway coaches) weighed in around 28,000lb stripped before I started the conversion.  Afterwards, with it completed and with my wife and I on boasrd weighs in at 31,000lb-which is still 5,000lb from gross weight rating.  I say this since an A2 would be rated the same, and I'm guessing weigh about the same.  Any thoughts?   Good Luck, TomC
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