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« on: September 21, 2008, 04:44:15 PM »

HI new to the group I have a 1975 o5 eagle 4 speed transmission and it needs a new clutch the one in it now is none adjustable does anybody know the average cost of a clutch replacement?
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2008, 05:01:06 PM »

P Eagle why is the clutch not adjustable is it wore out Eagles have a 2 disk type clutch that is adjustable from the clutch cover on the bottom  good luck
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 05:10:23 PM »

We had to have a clutch replaced last year on a MCI 102D3: $8000.00 and change. About 40 hours labor. I confirmed that with a couple of other shops who said yea, it takes this long. They take the rear axle out, then the transmission, to get at the clutch. The bad clutch had been installed backwards by so called professional mechanics...! The good thing is, we are good for a long time now. I tell my drivers to use 1st gear to start unless the bus is rolling already. It is a hockey team bus with several volunteer drivers.

Of course an Eagle is probably different, but this will give you an idea untill an Eagle guy pipes up.

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 05:17:47 PM »

On a Eagle you remove the engine and transmission as one unit it is about a 20hr job or less if you have the dolly   good luck
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 05:27:39 PM »

We had to have a clutch replaced last year on a MCI 102D3: $8000.00 and change. About 40 hours labor. I confirmed that with a couple of other shops who said yea, it takes this long. They take the rear axle out, then the transmission, to get at the clutch. The bad clutch had been installed backwards by so called professional mechanics...! The good thing is, we are good for a long time now. I tell my drivers to use 1st gear to start unless the bus is rolling already. It is a hockey team bus with several volunteer drivers.

Of course an Eagle is probably different, but this will give you an idea untill an Eagle guy pipes up.

JC

They do WHAT?! I ain't never! We usually just pull the drive shaft suspend the trans and swing it out of the way, put a clutch in and reinstall the trans! ON AN MCI that is! As I've never replaced one in an eagle myself personally! But I know dad & Robert have, as Robert used to think EAGLE was THE only bus to own & had 9 of them at one time! (back before I quit trucking and started punishing my self with buses! LOL!)
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 05:36:28 PM »

BK,
     So you do not actually remove the tranny?  How many hours does it take to do your way?  Would that work on a 5a also?  I do not have a clutch problem yet, but from some of the things I heard, it seemed that putting in an automatic would cost about the same (plus the part, of course).  Your method sounds like it is less than a catastrophic repair.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 05:36:46 PM »

BK, if you could swing the transmission in a 05 Eagle that would be a fast change but with the drop box the engine has to come out on a 01 they swing the transmission.I gave the guy a high estimate I watched the mechanics at Trailways in Dallas do it 5 or 6 hrs but the were equipped to do it
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 05:39:32 PM »

Lin, your in the same boat as a 05 Eagle you have a drop box
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 05:51:18 PM »

more info the transmission will shift into the gears but when you let out on the clutch the bus does not move checked the brakes and it will roll, so the brakes are not locked up
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2008, 06:31:28 PM »

P Eagle if you have the eagle book adjust to the instructions may work if no lining are in the bottom as silly as it sound that is a pull type clutch with a adjustment ring to adjust with but you need the manual.One thing I would check is to see if the drive shaft is turning if it is turning that is a different story
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2008, 06:35:52 PM »

i was able to get it to go in reverse at one time but cannot get it to go forward or back in reverse
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2008, 07:20:06 PM »

Have you checked all linkages and your clutch pedal?

Do the simple things first. Can you access your tunnel? Can you crawl under and access your clutch pedal assembly?

I have an 01 and your situation scares me!

Please let us know what you find out.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2008, 07:54:03 PM »

Clifford,
I agree with you that shops equipped right and with very experienced technicians can do it in a single shift (8 hrs). But those shops are getting fewer and farther between. I also agree with your 20 hr estimate! As that is the ball park I would probably quote, and I would say is probably average most places.

What I can't believe is that they told him the rear end had to come out!
That's the first time I ever heard of that! And dumber than Woody & Robert dropping an Allison 740 on the ground out of a MC9 while I was away on a trip. And then calling me and telling me "hey  we got the transmission out of the bus. By the way any ideas how to get it out from under it?"
Oh let me tell you it really pissed them off when I laffed for about 5 mins straight before asking "you mean to tell me you didn't pull the eng/trans together?"
Needless to say it sat right there blocking the whole shop until I got home and VERY carefully repositioned the bus where the rear would just barely clear a roof truss. And then VERY carefully jack and blocked it, and jacked and blocked , and jacked and blocked until the roof of the bus just almost touched the next truss forward. Then we had maybe 1 1/2" s of clearance and used a chain and the tow truck to winch the trans out from under the bus. Then put the new one on a "SLIP & SLIDE" (kids yard water toy) and used the wheel lift and about a 6' long 8" X 12" timber to shove it back under! Then the timber cut an angle sliced of it and it became a "ramp" (or in this case a wedge) which was shoved under the trans with the wheel lift while the trans was chained of the the back of the tow truck. Once it was up enough we blocked the trans up and shoved the wedge on out from under it. then we were able to get under it with a large floor jack with a custom made plate to chain the trans onto it. Then we just jacked it up aligned it and reinstalled it!
I can assure you an engine nor transmission has NEVER been pulled by itself in my shop since then! LOL!

And Lin as Clifford pointed out that with the drop box the MC5 is in the same predicament as an Eagle!

P Eagle what part of the country are you in? Maybe one of us knows of a reputable shop or mechanic to recommend to you! FWIW
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008, 10:17:08 AM »

Good job, lostagain.

Those 7 speed transmissions are a pain, first is a little too deep, second is just a little too tall to start with a load, (if you are paying for the clutch... Wink)

Best they don't get it in their heads to start in 2nd.

happy coaching!
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008, 09:01:57 PM »

At first I wasn't going to post this.  Decided to go ahead.  It took the owner and I about 6 hours (12 hrs total) to replace the clutch on his '69 Crown Super Coach.  We had no idea what we were doing.

One (1) hr was spent jacking and lifting up the coach.  Very low ground clearance.  After safely lifted using RR ties, we dropped the driveshaft and unhooked and removed the tranny.  Fuller T905M.  Lots of blocks. Cummins 743.

Very heavy.  Then did the R/R thing on the clutch.  Some sort of weird pull-type Spicer.  He provided it. Fuller tranny. Go figure.  Two people.  Old Crown.  Used sandpaper on the flywheel.  Took multiple trys to hang the Fuller.  AUGHHH!

Speedo cable.  Driveline. (1710's)  Tranny shift rod and stuff.  Clutch linkage.  Adjustments.  Three (3) driving attempts.  Adjustments.  Final success.  Again, about one full day or 12 hours for us complete fools. Six hours running time.

What am I missing here?  Of course we had to rig a make-shift tranny gadget to hold/move the tranny.  Extra time. The driveshaft weighted over 100#.  Augh again.  How much shop time were you charged?  Smiley Smiley Smiley




 
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2008, 08:04:49 AM »

I can tell you from experience what it takes to r & r clutch in 1977 05 as me and the wife done it. We went through the floor under the bed and with a bar across bed frame and comealong lowered trans to the ground, jacked the bus up enough to slide it out. The reason we pulled it was to repair oil leaks, if you are just going to replace clutch you could probably leave it under the bus. we pulled the clutch and flywheel to fix engine leaks also. Probably 3 or so hours to pull and same to replace. We also had the drivers side wheels off, gives you more room to work.
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2008, 08:48:06 AM »

Less than a year ago I had the clutch replaced in my 1968 05 Eagle and it cost about $1500.   I would have to go back and check records to get the exact amount.

Frank Lambert of Lambert's Engine Sales & Service out of Smithfield, NC (I-95).
Frank has personally owned an Eagle for 20 years +.  Uses it most weekends with a BG/Gospel group. 

If U need phone # or futher directions then contact me. 

Enjoying the journey in NC,

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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2008, 08:56:07 AM »

Southern Oregon Diesel charged a friend of mine $2800.00 (parts new not rebuilt and labor) for one they pulled the engine and transmission reading the manual for Eagles that is the way that it is recommended by far looks like the safeset way  have a great day
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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2008, 09:08:39 AM »

See now we are talking reasonable quotes/prices! $8,000 is just flat out a rip off! I can see a shop charging 12 hrs +/- "book time" or maybe even slightly more maybe even up to 20 MAX! But to say the rearend has to come out and it's gonna take 40 hrs @ around $8,000.00 is purely hosing someone! (and not offering any Vaseline either!) JMHO FWIW! Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2008, 07:17:01 PM »

I replaced the clutch in my MC-5 last winter. Slid the engine and clutch out the back using a Detroit dolly. 8 hours to get it out, 8 to replace the clutch and all hoses; compressor regulator, etc. and another 8 or so to put it all back in. Quite easy. As the local bus company mechanic told me: "it looks a lot harder than it is". Much safer that way also. The tranny weighs about 300 pounds I think. No way would I tackle that job from underneath or thru the bedroom floor. The MC-5 also has a drop box.

I think the clutch was about $1,200.00. I was told not to put a truck clutch in it. Special issue for busses apparently. Could have saved money buying a truck clutch at Catco. 24 hours for an amateur with some buddies and a few beers. -priceless-

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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2008, 08:14:11 PM »

   I changed out the clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing and pilot
bearing, in my 0/5 Eagle.  This was in a Wal-Mart parking lot about
9 years ago, with the help of a good friend it took us 10 Hrs.  If i remember
correctly the parts were about $500.00, of course my wife went to
Dallas and picked up the parts for me while we were tearing it down.
I used a sawhorse inside and a come-along to hold up the transmission.

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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2008, 08:40:11 PM »

Sonnie, is that why you have a 740 Allision now I never saw anybody drop the transmission the 2  ex Trailway guys south of Dallas rolled the engine out but they allways changed the rear seal on the engine and surfaced the flywheel.
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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2008, 08:47:08 PM »

I've heard my dad & Robert talk about replacing clutches and/or trannys in Robert's Eagles in parking lots before lots of times! And they always did it Bob &  Sonny's way! Which is where I learned to do it! For what it's worth! Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2008, 07:58:53 AM »

Back in the early 1990, I had mine replaced by Sun Tours in NC.  They put two men on it and were done in 4 hrs.  They set two jack stands under the bed and with a comealong let the trans. down.  This was a wast because as soon as I got back from that trip I put in the Allison 740.  This would be a good time to do the same.
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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2008, 10:16:12 AM »

I had a 1965 01 Eagle and to replace the clutch and other items, was around 63,000. I bought a Prevost with factory automatic! Smiley
Does that sound out of line?

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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2008, 10:16:58 AM »

I am not sure your clutch is bad! Think you need to do further troubleshooting before shooting yourself in the foot. Several items it could be other than clutch. Someone asked if the drive shaft turned when you let the clutch out - a good place to start. Also visual of clutch operation. Broken axle?
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2008, 11:05:52 AM »

My wife and I can pull the Tranny/clutch on my 4104 in 4 hours, it goes back in 3 hours. The cost of new lining on the clutch plate/turn down the fly wheel and set the springs, cost $295.00.
When reinstalling the fly wheel be sure you use the Detroit recomended torques/NEW Bolts and Detroit gunk for the bolts. We didn't the first time and after 5000 miles the fly wheel came loose and broke all but one bolt.No problems if you install it back correctly.

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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2008, 12:01:49 PM »

I have a model 10 with a 6v92 and a 5 speed spicer. I paid $3,000.00 and some change for a new one. They did not pull the motor. I sat by and drank some beers. It took them around 10 hours of labor with 2 guys.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2008, 12:11:10 PM »

In my honest opinion ANYTHING done complete for less than $4,000.00 or $5,000.00 labor, parts and EVERYTHING related included is acceptable!

and then there's this     \/  Grin

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I had a 1965 01 Eagle and to replace the clutch and other items, was around 63,000. I bought a Prevost with factory automatic! Smiley
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Ace you really got TOOK to the cleaners! You coulda had a real bus a whole lot cheaper!

Shoot you had one, all you needed to do was spend about $10,000.. and put an automatic in it! LOL! Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2008, 12:31:26 PM »

Seems like any way you slice this pie it is working out to be around 20 man hrs everybody allways has 2 people working on it and in shop labor that second person is not free    have a great day
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« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2008, 01:26:48 PM »

Bk that might be true but the return on my investment will be far better than what I had although the Eagle DID bring enough to buy the Prevost! Looking back, and then looking around, I think I went the right direction, besides, had I kept what I had, most if not all of my investment would have been on the ground creating more work for me sweeping it up or faced the possibility of a law suit when somebody claims that a huge piece of rust hit their car.
Like I said, a move in the right direction!  Smiley

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