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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2008, 04:55:08 PM »

honestly it is worth a good bit more than 28k if  it is as reported, you could not buy all the stuff in that coach for twice that and certainly not the build quality

I agree.  But, in this market, you can very rarely sell a used bus conversion for what you have in it.

keep in mind a good quality coach is going to be worth a good bit more than an average one. Sure you can buy an MC-9 shell for less than 5k that will get up the road....but a pristine low mile unit will still run into the mid 20's ( sheel or seated), or if you'd like to go newer....you can get a mid 80's MCI A3 for 10k, but a realy good one will run you 50k

Probably right on that.  But there would certainly have to be a "burden of proof" on the seller to prove things were as stated.  The documents showing that it was converted from a new shell.  Complete routine/preventative maintenance records.  The paperwork (with serial numbers) proving that the engine was rebuilt at the time stated.  Receipt for the tires with enough information on it to make a reasonable verification that they are the tires on it now.  I hate to be so skeptical, but a good detailer can often make poo look like a gold brick.

I would not go as far as saying it is a buyers market....thats when the buyer can set the price.

Rather the market is soft....as the # of buyers has declined over the years.

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My Opinion: if someone is asking 28k...offering 18 is not going to float.  A good portion of the really nice coaches are in hands of people with some financial where with all......and they are less likely to dump something.  good deals like that only come from estates, divorces and people who need quick cash for business or health issues.



I imagine you are right when it is someone with wealth willing to sit on a depreciating vehicle.  But for the rest, it is a buyers market.

 
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2008, 07:20:28 AM »

Thanks for the info on the eBay bus. I know of a 81 bluebird too,has a 3208 cat fc with 125,000 original miles.However the bus expert  I have says it wont have enough power to haul what I want to haul.We are now not only hauling the Harley we are taking the vette too. They weigh less than 5,000lbs but than add the trailer weight.I've said before don't care if I get there fast but I do want to get there,where ever there is,lol. Peabody
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008, 07:57:14 AM »

although BB are nice for what they are they are not buses.  Keep that in mind.

Redneck,

It is not hard to tell a professional conversion from a home one.  Most home conversion have one or two segments of the conversion that are sub par ( interior, electrical or plumbing)  Custom Coach conversion are quite easy to pick out.  and this one on ebay is certainly a Custom Coach unit.

True burden of proof is with the seller but some of these things are not hard to verify without reciepts.

Tires can be inspected and date codes read,  a quick look at that engine is good proof that it is a low mile engine etc etc.

Unlike cars you can't detail a crappy bus into a gem.  there are things that are just to cost prohibitive to do to try to pull the wool over someones eyes.

I agree it is hard to sell a conversion for what you have in it, especialy an home grown conversion......but keep in mind, this is likely a well maintained, professional conversion that cost better than 300k in it's build year dollars

I can assure you if you ever have the chance to see a Custom Coach Conversion they are quit e robust in their build quality, and simple to boot, unlike alot of the Flashy companies that tend to do Prevosts.

I would say Easily based on the photos and info provided and gathered it is easily worth more than the 28k asking.






 






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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2008, 08:53:53 AM »


I would say Easily based on the photos and info provided and gathered it is easily worth more than the 28k asking.


I would agree with that.  However, I haven't seen a bus conversion sell for what it was worth all year.

I'm not saying it's "noble" or "nice" to make low offers to someone selling a bus conversion.  But in this market, a smart buyer doesn't offer full price.  It's the nature of negotiation - seller sets a price, buyer counter offers, then they try to find a middle ground.

A successful skilled salesperson will do exactly what you are doing, a technique called "value building" - build up the positive attributes rather than immediately negotiating down.  If he does it well, he will end up with a sale at full price or with minimal reduction.  A skilled buyer will always try to get a lower price by focusing the discussion on the age, style, dated interior colors, and any flaws they do find.

When a successful salesperson meets a skilled buyer, it often results in a "no sale".  Fortunately for the successful salesperson, there are unskilled buyers.  Fortunately for the skilled buyer, there are bus conversions and bus shells for sale by owners or less than successful sales people (or successful sales people under pressure to make a quick sale).
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008, 10:04:40 AM »

although BB are nice for what they are they are not buses.  Keep that in mind.
Redneck,

It is not hard to tell a professional conversion from a home one.  Most home conversion have one or two segments of the conversion that are sub par ( interior, electrical or plumbing)  Custom Coach conversion are quite easy to pick out.  and this one on ebay is certainly a Custom Coach unit.

True burden of proof is with the seller but some of these things are not hard to verify without reciepts.

Tires can be inspected and date codes read,  a quick look at that engine is good proof that it is a low mile engine etc etc.

Unlike cars you can't detail a crappy bus into a gem.  there are things that are just to cost prohibitive to do to try to pull the wool over someones eyes.

I agree it is hard to sell a conversion for what you have in it, especialy an home grown conversion......but keep in mind, this is likely a well maintained, professional conversion that cost better than 300k in it's build year dollars

I can assure you if you ever have the chance to see a Custom Coach Conversion they are quit e robust in their build quality, and simple to boot, unlike alot of the Flashy companies that tend to do Prevosts.

I would say Easily based on the photos and info provided and gathered it is easily worth more than the 28k asking.


Doug,
While you make very good points here you are clearly mistaken and Blue Bird is a bus. It is only a school bus, but a bus none the less! I realize you probably meant it is not a MOTORCOACH, which it is not! Unless referring to the LCT40 or LCT45, while not widely know about they are a coach.
I now return this to our normal program. Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2008, 05:27:37 PM »

Alot of good information ,what I got of reading these post is this;

 When It comes time to sell a bus - I want Tekebird to sell it and when I go to buy a bus I want a High tech redneck to buy it for me.
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2008, 07:56:12 PM »

Alot of good information ,what I got of reading these post is this;

 When It comes time to sell a bus - I want Tekebird to sell it and when I go to buy a bus I want a High tech redneck to buy it for me.
 Grin



I agree I'd like to have Doug sell a couple of mine for me!
But when it comes to buying I'll always take dad with me! While I have been so PO'd in the past that I sulked and pouted all the way home once from Phoenix, several times from FL, several times from NJ, once from NY, 3 times from OH, 3 or 4 times from IL, all the way from our place to CA and home (AND I WAS DRIVING THE BUS I WANTED TO KEEP & FLYING HOME!), and was laffing all the way home from Houston once!

I tell ya if dad makes his mind up that it's worth X amount (and usually he does some research before hand, but most time he uses my own judgement and advice AGAINST me!) then by golly if the seller won't come to dad's terms then by golly we are coming home empty handed!

I felt like we were going to come home from ID when we bought our 45' SETRA S217 & the S215 40"er that came with the "parts bus" I just had hauled home! As a matter of fact I'd told my brother in law "might as well pack up tight like we did for the trip out here 'cause were all 3 going to be riding home together!"
And as we were packing the mechanic from the place came out and told me "Bryce yer dad needs you to come in and help finalize the deal!" I could have fell over, as when I went outside dad was telling the guy "This is how much we'll pay, not a penny more, and I want those extra windshields and parts out of the storage container Wayne (their mechanic) told us about AND THE FULL TANKS OF FUEL YOU AGREED TOO WITH BRYCE LAST NIGHT! And if that don't suit ya then we've wasted enough time here!"

Shoot the only reason we bought those last 2 MCI's is dad got the sellers's to give in to easily and got them both for 1/2 or less than they had told us they would take!

Yup dad in my corner anytime were buying! Now on the other hand dad wants to be to "FAIR" when selling if ya ask me! Grin  BK  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2008, 04:11:58 PM »

I'm on bus three and have never converted one yet. Don't feel bad about taking your time till the right bus comes along.
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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2008, 04:47:20 PM »

If you are not in a rush to buy, wait until the BUS'N USA rally next summer at Rickreall  Ore.  You can look at a lot of buses and there are always some for sale.  We just left the Seattle area on Monday to head south for the winter and i know i saw that 57 Eagle for sale but can't remember where it was. Grin
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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2008, 04:58:36 PM »

We saw an Eagle on the side of Hwy 5 somewhere up in Oregon. It was a blue Model 5 already converted with a Cummins and lots of new parts. I called the owner and he said the bus was new inside and still had plastic down everywhere. He was asking $89,500 but you might be able to talk him down. Seems like he said he was in his 80s and was ready to settle down! haha

His phone number is 505-860-8055.

I found it listed online for anyone who might want to look.
https://www.rvt.com/rvdetail2186683.htm
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